Wix 51358 Louvers Again

[Sayjac]

Yeah, could well be that Mann&Hummel ownership QC effect in progress now for Wix too. Could be Deja vu all over again.

But as noted, oil filter inspection prior to purchase always best practice. Another example.

 

[Garak]

It certainly could be that. And, if it is, my criticism remains the same. Made in Germany Mann filters are built like tanks. What happened to Purolator media and why are the family's louvered centre tubes sometimes good and sometime look like dimpled sheet metal? The German Mann filter for my Audi costs under $5, too, and I wouldn't need to probe it with an inspection camera and a fluoroscope before fitting it. Why do I have to do a QC inspection on a Purolator or Wix that has made it out of the factory? Before, we just used to make sure the filter wasn't dented from shipping damage and that the gasket was present and clean and lubed when we spun it on.

 

[Sayjac]

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It certainly could be that.....

Yep and if so, it's completely on Mann&Hummel. I care not one iota what the Mann's of other countries look like. So you're wasting bandwidth on me trying to excuse them. Won't change my opinion on the topic or my posts.

If I have to add extra inspection now of my Napa Gold filters because of M&H ownership, that's sad. But I'm not ready to drop US made product because of your anecdote.

Purolator US taking the hit on this board because of M&H ownership. Just have to wait and see if history repeats with Wix.

 

[Garak]

Oh no, I'm not trying to excuse it. I'm merely trying to understand it. And, I've only seen one bad example, so I'm not running terrified from Wix. Every other example we pulled off the shelf of the 51358 was just fine. Heck, for the date of production of my bad example, I don't know if they made one bad filter, or a whole day's run bad.

There's a Wix on my shelf ready to be used, and it likely won't be the last. Pricing competition with Baldwin aside, one of my Wix suppliers does have very nice, late night hours, which most other parts stores don't have. And, I do buy stuff at weird hours; Acklands-Grainger has some pretty appalling hours. They fit into the rural Saskatchewan mentality quite nicely.

 

[Tony10s]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
Baldwin/Hastings louvers are the best by far! I have no problem using those at all.

Yes, they look like they've mastered their production ages ago.

I agree.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Sayjac
Not surprisingly Wix look up shows it uses nitrile same as Napa Gold. Again though, another application that shows lots of, even majority OPE applications as opposed to automotive.

I was thinking back on this. When I first got the car, the 51365 was the specified filter, and the 51356 the upsize. Then, the 51358 with the different mounting plate became the specified filter. I may have to find out if the 51365 and 51356 have undergone any changes. They at least have the silicone ADBV, and the upsize was a decent price. The two old model numbers seem to have a ridiculous amount of OPE applications, even more than the 51358. Wix seems to be just about the only company I can find that actually has a two part numbers for these applications, with the 51365 and 51358 being different filters. Everyone else I've come across just has one filter option.

 

[JeepWJ19]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Sayjac
Not surprisingly Wix look up shows it uses nitrile same as Napa Gold. Again though, another application that shows lots of, even majority OPE applications as opposed to automotive.

I was thinking back on this. When I first got the car, the 51365 was the specified filter, and the 51356 the upsize. Then, the 51358 with the different mounting plate became the specified filter. I may have to find out if the 51365 and 51356 have undergone any changes. They at least have the silicone ADBV, and the upsize was a decent price. The two old model numbers seem to have a ridiculous amount of OPE applications, even more than the 51358. Wix seems to be just about the only company I can find that actually has a two part numbers for these applications, with the 51365 and 51358 being different filters. Everyone else I've come across just has one filter option.


I just changed the oil on my motorcycle a couple of weeks ago and it calls for a 51365. I went and bought the Napa Gold 1356 and it did not have louvers

 

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Sayjac
Not surprisingly Wix look up shows it uses nitrile same as Napa Gold. Again though, another application that shows lots of, even majority OPE applications as opposed to automotive.

I was thinking back on this. When I first got the car, the 51365 was the specified filter, and the 51356 the upsize.....


The 5/1356 used to be the spec Wix/NG filter for majority Hondas. Then some years ago now Wix changed the base plate design and geometry to allow for better attachment to the block mounting stud, so they said. That's when the 5/7356 became the spec filter for Hondas and still is. It is the equivalent to the 7317/14610 size. I have a 5/1356 still, and I believe it still uses the older baseplate design, can tell by it's larger inlet holes. I also note that while it now still has some automotive applications, lots of OPE there too. But it still uses a silicone adbv.

I would see no reason why 5/7356 wouldn't work equally well on Nissans specing either the shorty 6607/14612 size or the longer 7317/14610 size. And at least as my last purchase the 57356 still used a holes center tube.

 

[Yah-Tah-Hey]

The holes in the center tube of my Denso OEM oil filters have no burrs period. Made in Thailand so I've had them awhile. Can't say what the latest Densos made in China look like but I expect them are made to Denso's specs.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Sayjac
I would see no reason why 5/7356 wouldn't work equally well on Nissans specing either the shorty 6607/14612 size or the longer 7317/14610 size. And at least as my last purchase the 57356 still used a holes center tube.

I'm sure it would work perfectly fine. It's just the one upsize I've never tried yet out of my preferred filters. I still have no fear of using the 51356 or 51365, either.

JeepWJ19: That's interesting. I'd like to go and take a look on the shelf just to compare things, but I'm sure I'd be picked up for a mental health assessment very shortly thereafter.

Wix got back to me, too; they're passing the information upstairs. It's interesting to note that their email address now has a M+H domain.

 

[JeepWJ19]

Originally Posted By: Garak

JeepWJ19: That's interesting. I'd like to go and take a look on the shelf just to compare things, but I'm sure I'd be picked up for a mental health assessment very shortly thereafter.

Wix got back to me, too; they're passing the information upstairs. It's interesting to note that their email address now has a M+H domain.


Every time I've gone into NAPA I go to the filter shelf and open the filter boxes and inspect the filter I want whether the 1356 or the 1515 for my jeep. Never receive flak for it but maybe it's different at your NAPA lol

 

[Garak]

This actually isn't a Napa, it's another store, with Wix filters. They're just on two walls of shelves in the store. That's why I'd look crazy sitting on the floor with a "fort" of filters, opening boxes and checking for louvers.

I do tend to take a peek when I buy a filter, mainly to ensure it's not dented and that it's the actual correct filter in the box. Having to check for closed louvers is a new one for me.

 

[JeepWJ19]

Originally Posted By: Garak
This actually isn't a Napa, it's another store, with Wix filters. They're just on two walls of shelves in the store. That's why I'd look crazy sitting on the floor with a "fort" of filters, opening boxes and checking for louvers.

I do tend to take a peek when I buy a filter, mainly to ensure it's not dented and that it's the actual correct filter in the box. Having to check for closed louvers is a new one for me.


Gotcha. I most of the time go to walmart and pick up my oil and filter there so it's basically frams. I just make sure the oil filter is the one advertised in the box as you said, no dents as you said, and to make sure no one put [censored] in the bottom of the filter. I haven't yet seen it happen but I wouldn't be surprised if someone did it, knowing W*M customers and all

I have yet to see someone sitting on the floor, let alone with multiple filters so I would definitely be giving you weird looks LOL

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Wix got back to me, too; they're passing the information upstairs. It's interesting to note that their email address now has a M+H domain.


I'm not really surprised since M+H basically controls WIX now.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: JeepWJ19
I have yet to see someone sitting on the floor, let alone with multiple filters so I would definitely be giving you weird looks LOL

As it was, fortunately it wasn't busy in there when the parts guy and I were opening boxes and staring down centre tubes, and sorting our work on a clearance display. We only spent a few minutes at that. At least his boss didn't wander over and ask us if we were daft. I would have loved to be able to check other part numbers out, but I set out to accomplish what I really needed.

ZeeOSix: I just hope it's not the same people reading the emails (and processing them) as was done with the Purolator media issue. And Wix filters don't need a new paint job and a renaming of their lines, in case M+H is getting any stupid ideas. Keep doing what's been working for years and don't throw monkey wrenches into the works.

 

[Garak]

I put the new 51358 on yesterday, and the one that came off had normal looking louvers, just to confirm. I didn't take any pictures, however, since I'm not looking at making a mess.