Will Mobil & SOPUS Develop Valvoline Restore and Protect Equivalent ?

[buster]

So basically, if Mobil 1 or SOPUS or Castrol, makes "testimony" like this about their oil, we are good to go?
And no, I generally don't believe companies that are trying to sell their product at any cost, bcs. well, they are in the business of making money, like all other companies. Hence, we still don't have objective testing results behind this oil. I don't believe Valvoline, same as I don't believe Mobil 1 Triple Action (well, in light of Valvoline Restore and Protect, it might become double Triple Action).

Mobil has always been great at giving the public/consumer tear down videos and showing what they do to test Mobil 1. So yes, I generally believe them. I also believe when any company states X times better than "xyz industry test" otherwise they'd be in trouble.

If Mobil said Mobil 1 can remove piston deposits, showed some photos and said they did this in their lab I would believe it.

Show me where any of the aforementioned brands specifically stated piston deposits. They don't.

 

[edyvw]

BTW, it amazes me how naive some people are to the idea that smaller companies can create niche products, especially ones with a dedicated engine lab where they can actually test under controlled conditions.

Also, hasn't anyone ever witnessed a lead engineer at their job leaving and going to a competitor? Do you really think there are no other PhD's at these other companies? Or are they all in Euroland working for BP and Shell?

So, we are naive in questioning the marketing of a company that is trying to sell its product to make a profit (no one blames them), but those who believe a company that is trying to make a profit by selling its product is not naive?
Why is Valvoline Restore and Protect better than Tripple Action? Restore and Protect indicate two "actions," but Mobil 1 has "three actions." That sounds cooler and more awesome.

 

[drtyler]

Mobil should say, use Mobil 1 and you’ll never need Valvoline Restore and Protect.

Not sure what Valvoline patents for Restore and Protect are in play currently but with the significant popularity of Valvoline's Restore and Protect - you have to believe that Mobil and SOPUS would love to develop a similar oil with carbon cleaning abilities . I’m sure Mobil & SOPUS (and maybe Castrol) have already studied Valvoline Restore and Protect samples to study and reverse engineer . Again , not sure with what Valvoline parents may be in play for Valvoline Restore and Protect but safe to say Mobil & SOPUS will want to counter Valvoline with their own carbon cleaning new formulation oils and take some of that Valvoline Restore and Protect market share away . If or until that time comes , kudos to Valvoline for their success with the Valvoline Restore and Protect oil release .

 

[buster]

So, we are naive in questioning the marketing of a company that is trying to sell its product to make a profit (no one blames them), but those who believe a company that is trying to make a profit by selling its product is not naive?
Why is Valvoline Restore and Protect better than Tripple Action? Restore and Protect indicate two "actions," but Mobil 1 has "three actions." That sounds cooler and more awesome.

You're being ridiculous. No one said Valvoline Restore and Protect is better than Mobil 1. THEY ARE CLAIMING ITS THE ONLY OIL THAT CAN CLEAN EXISTING PISTON DEPOSITS. What aren't you understanding?

They even went as far as to interview two of their lead engineers. So who should I believe, Joe Schmoe on the internet saying it doesn't work?

 

[buster]

Mobil should say, use Mobil 1 and you’ll never need Valvoline Restore and Protect.

hahah technically they could do that and it wouldn't be inaccurate LOL.

 

[4wd]

Or maybe this is a meaningless thread and equivalent thereafter

 

[buster]

People are going to believe what they want to believe.

 

[edyvw]

Mobil has always been great at giving the public/consumer tear down videos and showing what they do to test Mobil 1. So yes, I generally believe them. I also believe when any company states X times better than "xyz industry test" otherwise they'd be in trouble.

If Mobil said Mobil 1 can remove piston deposits, showed some photos and said they did this in their lab I would believe it.

Show me where any of the aforementioned brands specifically stated piston deposits. They don't.

I actually believe that both are decent products. That is it. When buying, I will look behind what the specifications say, not at the front of the bottle.
Is one doing better job than another one? I would say both products are doing exactly what API SP requirements want them to do. Rest is a marketing game in order to sell products (of course, they'll do that because. well, that is their job).
So, IMO, until we have serious independent testing that does not involve wife's minivan and daughters car, it is marketing, nothing else.

 

[edyvw]

You're being ridiculous. No one said Valvoline Restore and Protect is better than Mobil 1. THEY ARE CLAIMING ITS THE ONLY OIL THAT CAN CLEAN EXISTING PISTON DEPOSITS. What aren't you understanding?

They even went as far as to interview two of their lead engineers. So who should I believe, Joe Schmoe on the internet saying it doesn't work?

Again, you are missing my point. The key is THEY!
Let's discuss this when some serious independent tests are done.

 

[buster]

I actually believe that both are decent products. That is it. When buying, I will look behind what the specifications say, not at the front of the bottle.
Is one doing better job than another one? I would say both products are doing exactly what API SP requirements want them to do. Rest is a marketing game in order to sell products (of course, they'll do that because. well, that is their job).
So, IMO, until we have serious independent testing that does not involve wife's minivan and daughters car, it is marketing, nothing else.

Fair enough. Heck I'm not even using it and have no plan to. In fact I actually agree more with you in the sense that approvals are the only true way of knowing performance levels. Everything else is anecdotal and faith based.

But I do trust Valvoline knowing the lab they have and team they have. This is not some TRIAX brand or fly by night bobo brand.

 

[edyvw]

Fair enough. Heck I'm not even using it and have no plan to. In fact I actually agree more with you in the sense that approvals are the only true way of knowing performance levels. Everything else is anecdotal and faith based.

But I do trust Valvoline knowing the lab they have and team they have. This is not some TRIAX brand or fly by night bobo brand.

I do trust them that there is something there. I don't believe they will sell a product that does not have those capabilities.
Is it doing better than XYZ product. I am not buying that until I see some testing same as I don't buy that from M1, Castrol, etc.
And same, I don't use this product, nor I plan.

 

[burbguy82]

Pennzoil won’t - they already rely on Ultra Platinum ‘keeping engines cleaner than industry standards’.
Castrol already does, all their oils say ‘cleans up existing deposits and prevents new ones from forming’.
As above, M1 already claims their oil cleans up neglected engines, especially their HM version.
Valvoline is the one ‘late to this game’.

this i could see

 

[GW.]

I’ve only ever seen M1 claim to keep pistons X times cleaner than industry standards. Is there any claims from M1 to actually clean stuck rings/dirty pistons? Only other oil I’ve seen this claim from was Premium Blue Restore which is very expensive and designed for a TSB.

 

[OilStainedNapkin]

How popular is Valvoline Restore and Protect? Do you have any sales or usage numbers? How does the oil compare to other oils in those areas?

Yeah, the oil gets a lot of play here, lots of discussion, but what about outside of BITOG? And, within our little community, how many are using it vs talking about it. Any ideas, facts, figures as to just how popular Valvoline Restore and Protect is?

Yeah….im sure he has all the sales data you’re requesting…

It doesn’t take a data analyst to see this oil is popular outside of this community. There’s tons of YouTube videos released almost daily and they get a good amount of views. When you go to places like Walmart the shelves are almost empty. Even the Walmart lube center has started to offer this product along with VIOC locations

 

[Shel_B]

I’ve only ever seen M1 claim to keep pistons X times cleaner than industry standards. Is there any claims from M1 to actually clean stuck rings/dirty pistons? Only other oil I’ve seen this claim from was Premium Blue Restore which is very expensive and designed for a TSB.

And which was designed for a very specific purpose and situation. That it may work in other situations is a bonus, although I've no recollection of Valvoline promoting it for other than its originally designed purpose.

 

[OilStainedNapkin]

I’ve only ever seen M1 claim to keep pistons X times cleaner than industry standards. Is there any claims from M1 to actually clean stuck rings/dirty pistons? Only other oil I’ve seen this claim from was Premium Blue Restore which is very expensive and designed for a TSB.

Not from what I’ve seen. I’ve actually never seen a commercially available oil claim anything in regards to piston rings

 

[GW.]

I’m actually reconsidering posting the results after my fourth oci of Valvoline Restore and Protect now. To much hostility….especially after I reveal the oils that I’ve been using since new.

 

[ka9mnx]

I’ve only ever seen M1 claim to keep pistons X times cleaner than industry standards. Is there any claims from M1 to actually clean stuck rings/dirty pistons? Only other oil I’ve seen this claim from was Premium Blue Restore which is very expensive and designed for a TSB.

Not long ago Mobil DID have a full page of before and after pictures of their Euro 0w-40 cleaning engines and it was focused on piston crowns and rings. They seemed to have removed that page.

 

[ChrisD46]

How popular is Valvoline Restore and Protect? Do you have any sales or usage numbers? How does the oil compare to other oils in those areas?

Yeah, the oil gets a lot of play here, lots of discussion, but what about outside of BITOG? And, within our little community, how many are using it vs talking about it. Any ideas, facts, figures as to just how popular Valvoline Restore and Protect is?

On the local front - my Walmart can’t keep Valvoline Restore and Protect on the shelf , the store clerk indicated it moves well . Nationally , I can’t speak to Valvoline sales figures for Valvoline Restore and Protect .

 

[ChrisD46]

The main draw of Valvoline Restore and Protect is its claimed carbon removal (versus easier sludge removal capability generally touted by other oil companies synthetic oils). To Buster’s point : I’ve been using Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5w30 (<4,000 mile OCI - GDI engine) and for grins , every 3rd OCI I add a bottle of Rislone engine cleaner to the oil for the ester cleaning additives . Doing this as the original owner over 55K miles (plus PCV change at 40K miles) likely means not much to clean up in the engine from the Mobil 1 / Rislone combo used - but I could be wrong .