WiGig - 60GHz explained
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LOL Entertaining coverage of the standard. The what amounts to line-of-sight coverage will make it very niche, I see more applications for it in dedicated applications, as noted, rather than broader use to augment the existing two bands.
Yeah... Limited use for now but still interesting... I hadn't heard of it yet.
I get 150 Mbps download speeds on my S8+ phone, laptop and home computers.
What consumer applications might need faster speeds than that?
What consumer applications might need faster speeds than that?
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Not mentioned in the video is that the existing WiGig standard is 802.11ad (logically following 802.11ac) and has existed since around 2009 and was officially ratified in 2011
The reason it hasn't received much fanfare is of course due to its limited utility. It's novel, of course, but I'm guessing this is why there was a 5 year gap between the formal standard being rolled in by the IEEE and device certification, which, according to the Wiki, didn't start until 2016.
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Originally Posted by Danno
I get 150 Mbps download speeds on my S8+ phone, laptop and home computers.
What consumer applications might need faster speeds than that?
That's part of the limited utility thing. 5Ghz MIMO offers significantly more bandwidth than most will ever use in a single-stream application. I can easily max out our 200/200 internet connection at the office with my iPhone over 802.11ac, LAN access is very close to wired speed. 802.11ad would require you to be able to physically see the access point, so realistically you'd be on 5Ghz or 2.4Ghz most of the time unless you put access points in everyone's offices, which seems a tad ridiculous.
I get 150 Mbps download speeds on my S8+ phone, laptop and home computers.
What consumer applications might need faster speeds than that?
That's part of the limited utility thing. 5Ghz MIMO offers significantly more bandwidth than most will ever use in a single-stream application. I can easily max out our 200/200 internet connection at the office with my iPhone over 802.11ac, LAN access is very close to wired speed. 802.11ad would require you to be able to physically see the access point, so realistically you'd be on 5Ghz or 2.4Ghz most of the time unless you put access points in everyone's offices, which seems a tad ridiculous.
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802.11ad would require you to be able to physically see the access point, so realistically you'd be on 5Ghz or 2.4Ghz most of the time unless you put access points in everyone's offices, which seems a tad ridiculous.
It wouldn't be hard with a power-over-ethernet setup and a node in the ceiling just like a light bulb.
802.11ad would require you to be able to physically see the access point, so realistically you'd be on 5Ghz or 2.4Ghz most of the time unless you put access points in everyone's offices, which seems a tad ridiculous.
It wouldn't be hard with a power-over-ethernet setup and a node in the ceiling just like a light bulb.
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Originally Posted by eljefino
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
802.11ad would require you to be able to physically see the access point, so realistically you'd be on 5Ghz or 2.4Ghz most of the time unless you put access points in everyone's offices, which seems a tad ridiculous.
It wouldn't be hard with a power-over-ethernet setup and a node in the ceiling just like a light bulb.
I wasn't implying that it was difficult, just ridiculous. I have two AP's that cover our office area well with 802.11ac as described earlier. I'd need like 20 AP's to get the same coverage with 802.11ad, which is nutty.
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
802.11ad would require you to be able to physically see the access point, so realistically you'd be on 5Ghz or 2.4Ghz most of the time unless you put access points in everyone's offices, which seems a tad ridiculous.
It wouldn't be hard with a power-over-ethernet setup and a node in the ceiling just like a light bulb.
I wasn't implying that it was difficult, just ridiculous. I have two AP's that cover our office area well with 802.11ac as described earlier. I'd need like 20 AP's to get the same coverage with 802.11ad, which is nutty.
Originally Posted by Danno
I get 150 Mbps download speeds on my S8+ phone, laptop and home computers.
What consumer applications might need faster speeds than that?
Multiple users in the same space. i.e. Office with 50 people in one hall and no physical connections.
I get 150 Mbps download speeds on my S8+ phone, laptop and home computers.
What consumer applications might need faster speeds than that?
Multiple users in the same space. i.e. Office with 50 people in one hall and no physical connections.
Originally Posted by Danno
I get 150 Mbps download speeds on my S8+ phone, laptop and home computers.
What consumer applications might need faster speeds than that?
You're looking at a tree instead of the forest.
I get 150 Mbps download speeds on my S8+ phone, laptop and home computers.
What consumer applications might need faster speeds than that?
You're looking at a tree instead of the forest.
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Originally Posted by PandaBear
Originally Posted by Danno
I get 150 Mbps download speeds on my S8+ phone, laptop and home computers.
What consumer applications might need faster speeds than that?
Multiple users in the same space. i.e. Office with 50 people in one hall and no physical connections.
And no impediments
Basically a big 'ol open space. I could see it work well in a conference room, theatre or hall. Maybe call centre? It wouldn't work in our space or most of the hospitals and offices I've worked in due to walls.
Originally Posted by Danno
I get 150 Mbps download speeds on my S8+ phone, laptop and home computers.
What consumer applications might need faster speeds than that?
Multiple users in the same space. i.e. Office with 50 people in one hall and no physical connections.
And no impediments
Those "office" usually have rows of benches instead of cubes or walled offices.
It would probably take a lot of electrician time to wire up each machine with a hard line. If most of them are just word / excel / power point work, WiGig is enough anyways.
BTW, they mount the routers / AP on the ceiling these days, so not much LOS issue.
It would probably take a lot of electrician time to wire up each machine with a hard line. If most of them are just word / excel / power point work, WiGig is enough anyways.
BTW, they mount the routers / AP on the ceiling these days, so not much LOS issue.
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Originally Posted by PandaBear
Those "office" usually have rows of benches instead of cubes or walled offices.
It would probably take a lot of electrician time to wire up each machine with a hard line. If most of them are just word / excel / power point work, WiGig is enough anyways.
BTW, they mount the routers / AP on the ceiling these days, so not much LOS issue.
Likely depends on the building. Our office contains literal offices, with walls. And yes, AP's are generally on the ceiling, routers, not so much, and it's been that way forever. However, given the layout of a hospital for example, there are only certain parts where walls don't come into play. Now, a call centre or cube farm, yeah, it would work, same with the other examples I cited.
BTW, usually Ethernet is run at the same time as power, so the electrician is there doing the install anyways, if he/she was contracted to do that cabling. Sometimes it's a separate company however.
If most of them are MS Office suite, WiGig is massive overkill. 100Mbit is usually more than sufficient though generally CAT6+ and gigE is what's used.
Those "office" usually have rows of benches instead of cubes or walled offices.
It would probably take a lot of electrician time to wire up each machine with a hard line. If most of them are just word / excel / power point work, WiGig is enough anyways.
BTW, they mount the routers / AP on the ceiling these days, so not much LOS issue.
Likely depends on the building. Our office contains literal offices, with walls. And yes, AP's are generally on the ceiling, routers, not so much, and it's been that way forever. However, given the layout of a hospital for example, there are only certain parts where walls don't come into play. Now, a call centre or cube farm, yeah, it would work, same with the other examples I cited.
BTW, usually Ethernet is run at the same time as power, so the electrician is there doing the install anyways, if he/she was contracted to do that cabling. Sometimes it's a separate company however.
If most of them are MS Office suite, WiGig is massive overkill. 100Mbit is usually more than sufficient though generally CAT6+ and gigE is what's used.
I'd think in most offices today one would have a VOIP phone and could have an Ethernet drop coming off the phone.
One cable run, provides phone and Ethernet for a laptop, etc.
Of course, everything is going wireless, so if it's not like this already, little chance of something like this rolling out.
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by PandaBear
Those "office" usually have rows of benches instead of cubes or walled offices.
It would probably take a lot of electrician time to wire up each machine with a hard line. If most of them are just word / excel / power point work, WiGig is enough anyways.
BTW, they mount the routers / AP on the ceiling these days, so not much LOS issue.
Likely depends on the building. Our office contains literal offices, with walls. And yes, AP's are generally on the ceiling, routers, not so much, and it's been that way forever. However, given the layout of a hospital for example, there are only certain parts where walls don't come into play. Now, a call centre or cube farm, yeah, it would work, same with the other examples I cited.
BTW, usually Ethernet is run at the same time as power, so the electrician is there doing the install anyways, if he/she was contracted to do that cabling. Sometimes it's a separate company however.
If most of them are MS Office suite, WiGig is massive overkill. 100Mbit is usually more than sufficient though generally CAT6+ and gigE is what's used.
One cable run, provides phone and Ethernet for a laptop, etc.
Of course, everything is going wireless, so if it's not like this already, little chance of something like this rolling out.
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by PandaBear
Those "office" usually have rows of benches instead of cubes or walled offices.
It would probably take a lot of electrician time to wire up each machine with a hard line. If most of them are just word / excel / power point work, WiGig is enough anyways.
BTW, they mount the routers / AP on the ceiling these days, so not much LOS issue.
Likely depends on the building. Our office contains literal offices, with walls. And yes, AP's are generally on the ceiling, routers, not so much, and it's been that way forever. However, given the layout of a hospital for example, there are only certain parts where walls don't come into play. Now, a call centre or cube farm, yeah, it would work, same with the other examples I cited.
BTW, usually Ethernet is run at the same time as power, so the electrician is there doing the install anyways, if he/she was contracted to do that cabling. Sometimes it's a separate company however.
If most of them are MS Office suite, WiGig is massive overkill. 100Mbit is usually more than sufficient though generally CAT6+ and gigE is what's used.
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Originally Posted by javacontour
I'd think in most offices today one would have a VOIP phone and could have an Ethernet drop coming off the phone.
One cable run, provides phone and Ethernet for a laptop, etc.
Of course, everything is going wireless, so if it's not like this already, little chance of something like this rolling out.
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by PandaBear
Those "office" usually have rows of benches instead of cubes or walled offices.
It would probably take a lot of electrician time to wire up each machine with a hard line. If most of them are just word / excel / power point work, WiGig is enough anyways.
BTW, they mount the routers / AP on the ceiling these days, so not much LOS issue.
Likely depends on the building. Our office contains literal offices, with walls. And yes, AP's are generally on the ceiling, routers, not so much, and it's been that way forever. However, given the layout of a hospital for example, there are only certain parts where walls don't come into play. Now, a call centre or cube farm, yeah, it would work, same with the other examples I cited.
BTW, usually Ethernet is run at the same time as power, so the electrician is there doing the install anyways, if he/she was contracted to do that cabling. Sometimes it's a separate company however.
If most of them are MS Office suite, WiGig is massive overkill. 100Mbit is usually more than sufficient though generally CAT6+ and gigE is what's used.
Yes, that's also a good point. Most installs have a data VLAN passthrough on the phone. We recently upgraded to Cisco 8xxx series handsets and they are all gig-E passthrough.
I'd think in most offices today one would have a VOIP phone and could have an Ethernet drop coming off the phone.
One cable run, provides phone and Ethernet for a laptop, etc.
Of course, everything is going wireless, so if it's not like this already, little chance of something like this rolling out.
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by PandaBear
Those "office" usually have rows of benches instead of cubes or walled offices.
It would probably take a lot of electrician time to wire up each machine with a hard line. If most of them are just word / excel / power point work, WiGig is enough anyways.
BTW, they mount the routers / AP on the ceiling these days, so not much LOS issue.
Likely depends on the building. Our office contains literal offices, with walls. And yes, AP's are generally on the ceiling, routers, not so much, and it's been that way forever. However, given the layout of a hospital for example, there are only certain parts where walls don't come into play. Now, a call centre or cube farm, yeah, it would work, same with the other examples I cited.
BTW, usually Ethernet is run at the same time as power, so the electrician is there doing the install anyways, if he/she was contracted to do that cabling. Sometimes it's a separate company however.
If most of them are MS Office suite, WiGig is massive overkill. 100Mbit is usually more than sufficient though generally CAT6+ and gigE is what's used.
Yes, that's also a good point. Most installs have a data VLAN passthrough on the phone. We recently upgraded to Cisco 8xxx series handsets and they are all gig-E passthrough.
Many new cubes / benches these days have no physical phone. You message your coworker and use your computer to "conference", or "call" using a virtual number and headset.
Using electricians to run 200 lines then a server room to connect them all is expensive in labor (assume you are not buying those overpriced Cisco switches). A lot of them just ask you to use laptop on wifi these days, and buy you a 34" monitor instead. Every 20 or so people will get an overhead access point / hot spot.
I've seen Facebook just put tripod everywhere and put APs on it, and run it like a photo studio.
Using electricians to run 200 lines then a server room to connect them all is expensive in labor (assume you are not buying those overpriced Cisco switches). A lot of them just ask you to use laptop on wifi these days, and buy you a 34" monitor instead. Every 20 or so people will get an overhead access point / hot spot.
I've seen Facebook just put tripod everywhere and put APs on it, and run it like a photo studio.
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