Why the big push to eliminate ICEs?

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Thats how I see it- if someone had stepped up and owned the consequence of flooding the reactors or immediately called the navy to bring in aux power somehow it could have been avoided.

You are talking about Japanese leadership culture, they do not work like the "super hero" "I'll take responsibility for this judgement call" culture we have. The biggest concern they have is not the sinking ship, but "will I be blamed for this, can I push the responsibility to someone else".

Meeting outcome usually leads to "the management council" decided to do this, but you will never see any single individual making the call and take responsibility if things go south.
 
I have a very efficient house in South Florida. White barrel tile roof, American Standard brand, dual compressor high SEER AC, Low-E glass windows, concrete block construction, and 2 solar attic fans. It's an extremely easy house to keep cool. My elec bills are very reasonable. I even put the air handler inside the house, as any leaks would leak cold air into the home and not the attic or garage.

Believe it or not, an 8000 BTU window AC unit will keep the house comfortable enough after a hurricane. I just close off the spare bedrooms and the home stays cool on generator power.

Adding an EV would put me in the higher cost bracket. As I drive A LOT. One month last year I did 12,000 miles, with many months near 10,000 miles and none under 4000. Reason: I was not able to use the airlines due to company requirements. We also had a lot of equipment to move around.
Surprised to see a black metal roof on a big new home 1/2 mile from me … I was away when the roof went on … so not sure if it’s air gapped … radiant barrier plywood … not sure

These guys claim there are special dark coatings

https://myrooff.com/black-metal-roof/
 
You are talking about Japanese leadership culture, they do not work like the "super hero" "I'll take responsibility for this judgement call" culture we have. The biggest concern they have is not the sinking ship, but "will I be blamed for this, can I push the responsibility to someone else".

Meeting outcome usually leads to "the management council" decided to do this, but you will never see any single individual making the call and take responsibility if things go south.
Pretty spot on. I work with them a lot.

It's an amazing culture on many levels. I really enjoy working with them.

On one level they are like Vulcans, no detail is overlooked or under scrutinized....but on the individual leadership level, no one will own anything and they are often punished for even trying. "The nail that sticks out must be pounded down"

The way they solve certain problems is also very unique, remember when the cult guys tossed sarin gas in trash cans?
Now you cannot find a trash can anywhere in the entire subway system.
 
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Surprised to see a black metal roof on a big new home 1/2 mile from me … I was away when the roof went on … so not sure if it’s air gapped … radiant barrier plywood … not sure

These guys claim there are special dark coatings

https://myrooff.com/black-metal-roof/
Light colored roofs regardless of material reflect more energy. Typically called "cool roofs" you don't want one in heating dominated climates.

Now for years dark metal roofs have been sold with a paint which was developed to reject at least some IR.
 
Latest cost estimate for Fukushima is 200 billion dollars. 40 years for people to return.

That area is not uninhabitable for 40 years, that's nonsense. This isn't Chernobyl, there wasn't a significant release. People were already cleared to move back into nearby communities years ago:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a25649/fukushima-clean-up/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...esidents-return-to-town-next-to-nuclear-plant
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fukushima-residents-return-despite-radiation/

The meltdown 150 miles north of Tokyo drove more than 200,000 people out of the region. Most believed they were fleeing for their lives. Now, almost eight years after the accident, the government has lifted most evacuation orders. Nearly 122,000 people have been allowed to return to communities where weeds have overtaken parking lots. Most are elderly, relieved to be resuming their lives. Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is determined to end all evacuations by 2020, when Japan will host the Olympic Summer Games. The events will include baseball and softball competitions in Fukushima City, a mere 55 miles from the ruined reactors.


The cost however, that's the price TEPCO deserves to pay for ignoring the recommendations (that's all they could be, they couldn't demand TEPCO make the changes due to grandfathering. This points to a failure of the Japanese regulating authority) by both GE (the site designer) and the Nuclear Safety Commission that had implored them to upgrade the seawall and relocate the backup generators to BEHIND the facility, rather than out there in front of it.

The sister plant, closer to the epicentre, had a much higher seawall and fared just fine. In fact people sheltered at the plant, because it was the safest structure around.
 
That area is not uninhabitable for 40 years, that's nonsense. This isn't Chernobyl, there wasn't a significant release. People were already cleared to move back into nearby communities years ago:

The cost however, that's the price TEPCO deserves to pay for ignoring the recommendations (that's all they could be, they couldn't demand TEPCO make the changes due to grandfathering. This points to a failure of the Japanese regulating authority) by both GE (the site designer) and the Nuclear Safety Commission that had implored them to upgrade the seawall and relocate the backup generators to BEHIND the facility, rather than out there in front of it.

The sister plant, closer to the epicentre, had a much higher seawall and fared just fine. In fact people sheltered at the plant, because it was the safest structure around.

Given Japanese rural area are dying off due to everyone moving to large cities (Tokyo, Osaka, etc), nobody in their right mind would just move back there as their first choice when other rural area are also declining.

The main problem I think is, without going into politics and bashing, a discrimination of people from the area as well as the produce from that area. Their "Japanese quality" boutique fruit and produce are now in the dumpster grade and may only get blend into the commodity price grade. The migrant out of that area have been bullied when their new neighbor found out they were from Fukushima. That's some hidden toll the overall populations are paying, and of course TEPCO is not paying that price.
 
No it isn't...not even close...
It's a lot closer than you think. The US will be better off.

You're old enough to remember the oil crisis back in the 1970's no? The amount of resources spent to maintain ($$$$) the petro-dollar alliance with the Saudi's has been a huge drain on the US economy for decades. The more insulated we are from fluctuations in the price of oil the better.
 
It's a lot closer than you think. The US will be better off.

You're old enough to remember the oil crisis back in the 1970's no? The amount of resources spent to maintain ($$$$) the petro-dollar alliance with the Saudi's has been a huge drain on the US economy for decades. The more insulated we are from fluctuations in the price of oil the better.
Until recently we were the largest producers of crude/gas. We don't need the Saudis, and I'm all for producing ALL forms of energy we can, not just renewables...
 
Until recently we were the largest producers of crude/gas. We don't need the Saudis, and I'm all for producing ALL forms of energy we can, not just renewables...
Up here in Canada, we’ve got your back. You don’t need Saudi oil anymore. :)

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You have to keep in mind that probably 95% of what legislators do is to give the impression that they are "doing something" about a problem, either a real or imagined one.

Once the theory of man made and inevitable global warming, or permanent climate change was accepted and not allowed to receive any rational balanced debate, it was only a matter of very short time that government officials had to "do something" about the "problem".
And like most things that government does, there are going to be many unintended consequences.

A perfect example is the mandate that CAFE standards need to meet or exceed a certain number by 2035 or whatever year it is supposed to be. Easy for politicians to make such a rule with zero concept of whether or not the technology will be available.
They might as well mandate that George Jetson type flying saucers are available for people to get to work in by a certain date.
 
Until recently we were the largest producers of crude/gas. We don't need the Saudis, and I'm all for producing ALL forms of energy we can, not just renewables...
Any data on this recent change? What day was it that we are not? Just wondering.
 
The US went from being a net oil exporter to a net importer again in late winter of 2020, a little over a year ago. The crash in oil prices because of COVID was a reason, but not the only one.

Do not count on business as usual for existing ICE vehicles. Various European and Asian countries are discussing measures to ban existing gasoline and diesel vehicles at some distant date. Taiwan intends to ban all gas-powered scooters by 2035, for example, and Ireland has proposed (but not yet passed) a ban on existing gas and diesel vehicles in 2045.

To give an idea of how far-reaching these bans are, Germany is looking to phase out heating oil in homes as soon as 2025. Look for fuel to be more expensive short-term and ultimately not there at all long-term. Keeping your old ICE car or truck might not be viable in some areas.

There is talk in Europe of banning private vehicles entirely, new or old, fossil-fueled or electric, by 2050 as being unsustainable. So far it's just talk. So far. But a British government report in 2019 about conditions in 2050 has made precisely that point about private cars being unsustainable.

Now here's food for thought, and I want to throw a question to the rest of you. The VW diesel-emissions scandal seemed a bit contrived in terms of reaction and the rush to go to EVs as the answer to the scandal. That rush is global, though the scandal was mostly in Western Europe and North America. Maybe something bigger is at play.

This is not a political question, so a political answer is not warranted. Could it be that the global push for EVs is evidence that peak oil is real and making itself felt? Could it be that governments are exploiting environmental concerns for EV mandates to avoid a panic over the real reason, which is peak oil? I would suggest this makes more sense than a sudden concern about pollution. What do you think?
 
Any data on this recent change? What day was it that we are not? Just wondering
US crude oil production peaked in May, 2020 at 13.1 million bbls/day. It has since been falling a bit and is now at 11 million bbls/day. The main cause is a lower level of drilling and fracking. There is a lot written about it being uneconomic generally, and the current drilling going on is "cherry picking" the best of the best formations. Many companies are being forced to drill by their banks to maintain their debt payments. Some have gone bankrupt and have been refinanced, with the original share holders losing everything. Some companies are humming along with positive cash flow and net profits.

US crude oil exports started ramping up with increased production and total petroleum exports also increased. The two are not the same. Total Petroleum products include not just crude oil, but also refined products like gasoline, jet fuel, kerosene etc. and also natural gas liquids like propane, butane, etc. It's fairly complicated because the US both imports and exports crude oil, refines crude oil, then exports some crude oil and a lot of petroleum products. The US became a net exporter of petroleum products ( not crude oil alone) in 2020. It exported 8.5 million bbls/day, and imported 7.8 million bbls/day. It was never a net exporter of crude oil alone.

Basically crude oil exports ramped up a few years ago, peaked and are now coming down. The crude oil exports started to seriously ramp up in 2017, peaked in 2019 at 3.1 million bbls per day and have now declined to 2.7 milion bbls per day. Oil is trading at about $67 dollars a bbl. If it ever rose to $100 bbl per bbl production would start to seriously rise again and the climb in crude oil exports would also start climbing again. Hope that helps.
 
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The US went from being a net oil exporter to a net importer again in late winter of 2020, a little over a year ago. The crash in oil prices because of COVID was a reason, but not the only one.

Do not count on business as usual for existing ICE vehicles.
Look for fuel to be more expensive short-term and ultimately not there at all long-term. Keeping your old ICE car or truck might not be viable in some areas.

But a British government report in 2019 about conditions in 2050 has made precisely that point about private cars being unsustainable.

Now here's food for thought, and I want to throw a question to the rest of you. The VW diesel-emissions scandal seemed a bit contrived in terms of reaction and the rush to go to EVs as the answer to the scandal.

This is not a political question, so a political answer is not warranted. Could it be that the global push for EVs is evidence that peak oil is real and making itself felt? Could it be that governments are exploiting environmental concerns for EV mandates to avoid a panic over the real reason, which is peak oil? I would suggest this makes more sense than a sudden concern about pollution. What do you think?
I had a discussion with a college researcher in a rage about VWs several years before dieselgate and yet nobody cared until they did. My comments only angered him more, my guess is since we knew about the cheating all along somebody got butthurt about something else and laid the smack down.


Behind closed doors it is understood that the party has been “over” since Greenspan’s famous comments during the last housing crisis.
The economy is fundamentally changed and not recoverable.

In effect the titans of industry need help and time to face the future lack of economy and loss of fundamentals, this has less to do with individual freedoms and nothing to do with car ownership (though many hard goods might get very expensive)
and more to do with how we safely transition as our way of life changes regardless of our actions.
The goal of the extremely wealthy and governments is to mitigate and slow the rage That inevitably occurs when people discover they can’t afford the things they expect.
This fear of God happened close to 2 decades ago and the 2 mindsets are basically live like its 1999 as long as possible then fall off a cliff or slowly transition to the new normal.

this isn’t about climate change or car ownership it’s about the fear of chaos and loss of power that occurs when we hit the fan of resource scarcity, things as simple as fertilizer and topsoil loss can change life overnight

The Muslims have a saying that my grandfather rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flys an airplane and my grandson will ride a camel.

Those in the know are scared, I have no idea if a true depression level event will happen in my lifetime but many companies, politicians and wealthy individuals are behaving against their own nature,
might be legitimate scarcity approaching which could wipe away a generations wealth and change our current way of life back to one resembling our great grandparents.

Im not worried however it turns out as I’ve lived through poverty but others go nuts if things start degrading
 
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US crude oil production peaked in May, 2020 at 13.1 million bbls/day. It has since been falling a bit and is now at 11 million bbls/day. The main cause is a lower level of drilling and fracking. There is a lot written about it being uneconomic generally, and the current drilling going on is "cherry picking" the best of the best formations. Many companies are being forced to drill by their banks to maintain their debt payments. Some have gone bankrupt and have been refinanced, with the original share holders losing everything. Some companies are humming along with positive cash flow and net profits.

US crude oil exports started ramping up with increased production and total petroleum exports also increased. The two are not the same. Total Petroleum products include not just crude oil, but also refined products like gasoline, jet fuel, kerosene etc. and also natural gas liquids like propane, butane, etc. It's fairly complicated because the US both imports and exports crude oil, refines crude oil, then exports some crude oil and a lot of petroleum products. The US became a net exporter of petroleum products ( not crude oil alone) in 2020. It exported 8.5 million bbls/day, and imported 7.8 million bbls/day. It was never a net exporter of crude oil alone.

Basically crude oil exports ramped up a few years ago, peaked and are now coming down. The crude oil exports started to seriously ramp up in 2017, peaked in 2019 at 3.1 million bbls per day and have now declined to 2.7 milion bbls per day. Oil is trading at about $67 dollars a bbl. If it ever rose to $100 bbl per bbl production would start to seriously rise again and the climb in crude oil exports would also start climbing again. Hope that helps.
Thanks, I can look it up, like this. Just asking the person if they have some reference.

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained...qual to about 35% of total petroleum exports.

Starting in about 2008 we really were on an upturn in oil production which pretty much continued on until 2020. Which seems to coincide with the drop in consumption.
 
It seems that numerous others figured out VW was cheating or at least something was wrong, but it took an EPA researcher to put the pieces together. Some reports say Volvo was among those that figured out the cheating, but did not blow the whistle.

Supposedly some states such as Colorado that perform drive-by emissions testing on highways issued summonses by mail to VW diesel owners after their cars were measured as gross polluters, but the cars would pass at a test facility on a dyno. No one put the pieces together then. I'll bet the systems have been changed to track the types of cars failing the roadside checks.

Mazda had been working to bring its Skyactiv-D diesel to the US when Dieselgate broke. Its reps said then it could meet the emissions standards without a DEF system, but the car drove poorly—no zoom-zoom. There's been no comment about whether its engineers had figured out what Volvo's had. When the 2019 CX-5 was briefly available with a diesel in the US, it had an added DEF system just for the North American market.

The company has announced the Skyactiv-D will not be offered here in the future. Plans to offer it in an AWD Mazda6 here have been cancelled, and now the 6 is being entirely dropped anyway.

The scandal and growing restrictions on diesels in cities led to diesel cars being virtually unsellable in Europe. It appears that Mazda has stopped selling diesels entirely in most markets there, for example.

The overreaction to Dieselgate makes it look as if plans to impose EVs were quietly in the works anyway. If it hadn't been Dieselgate bringing that into the open, it would have been another crisis.
 
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