Why Scheduled Maintenance Services Are Important..

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Why? So that you will not have any surprises when it is time to replace a normal-wear item such as brakes, as you will have known well in advance. This story goes like this...

My friend called and said her 2009 Fit is not stopping well. I drove it and it stopped fine to me, though the bite from the front pads was a bit lacking. There was only an occasional squeak from the pads, though I did notice some groaning and grinding as you came to a near stop-- in other words, from a test drive, there were no symptoms which indicating that the brake system required immediate attention.

But still, I took the car to a well-regarded local tire shop and they did a quick brake inspection. After removing one of the front tires, it was revealed that the inner pad was worn to less than 2mm. There was a fraction of a millimeter before the squealers would kick in. So, obviously the pads have been low for quite sometime, and this should not have came as a surprise had the car been thoroughly inspected at each maintenance stop, but it had not been.

Since the various aftermarket brake suppliers seem to be undecided about the correct pad shape for this car, I decided to go with another set of OE pads. Strangely, the dealer did not have any pads in-stock-- but was able to order a set in the late afternoon and I was able to pick them up early the next morning. $47 for the set of front pads after the Critic discount
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and I paid the same tire shop $100 to install the front pads, resurface the front rotors and clean/adjust the rear drum brakes. Plus, thanks to the yelp app on my iPhone, when I "checked in" at the business, I also got a free 4-wheel alignment. So, $147 for all of that work was a steal, since the dealer wanted $292 to just replace the front pads and resurface the rotors!

Anyway, after a bed-in, the pads now stop terrific. The pedal feel is more progressive and the bite comes sooner and stronger. I find this interesting since I used the new pads are suppose to be identical to the old pads, unless of course, Honda has changed the formulation of the pads. The old pads were in great shape-- no cracks, heavy glazing or uneven wear. So, it is a bit puzzling to me as to why the car now stops so much better with a new set of OE pads. Any ideas?

In conclusion, this story teaches a very important lesson-- it is important to have your vehicle inspected on a regular basis. A lot of people cannot afford (or do not understand the need to) to pay the dealer or a repair shop for the scheduled maintenance services (where the vehicle will be inspected in additional to the oil change service), and instead trust that all of their maintenance can be handled by quick lubes. Sure, the quick lube will change the oil and upsell filter changes as-needed, but the brake, suspension and steering components are never inspected. My friend bought tires at Costco, so she had been taking the car there religiously for regular tire rotations. However, Costco only does tire work-- they do not check your brake, steering, or suspension components at each tire rotation. So for my friend, the whole surprise of her car needing immediate brake service could have been avoided if she had been having her car inspected on a regular basis.
 
Do you remember how many miles were on this Fit? 2009 seems really new to need brakes but the mileage wasn't given.
 
Originally Posted By: nfs480
Do you remember how many miles were on this Fit? 2009 seems really new to need brakes but the mileage wasn't given.

Sorry, I forgot to post the mileage. The car had 45k.
 
Originally Posted By: The Critic
...$47 for the set of front pads after the Critic discount
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Hey, can I get "the Critic discount"?
I use to get "the brother's discount", then the brother got out of the car biz.
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How off was the wear? They could have lubed the pins and now the outer friction surface is doing more work.
 
a fit , hmmm .ok,,I looked it up, brakes should last 10 years,not a lot to stop there.but a nice car.
 
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I have a 2007 Fit and I have noticed a slight pulsing after 50K,now at 62K its a little more noticeable and I will be replacing them this spring.
 
Depends on how and where the car is driven.
Drive mainly in traffic, and you'll have shorter brake life.
If you coast while approaching a red light, and then either avoid braking altogether, or only need to brake lightly, you'll have longer brake life than those who pass me while I'm coasting toward the red light and then have to brake fairly hard.
Brake life is quite variable between driving environment and drivers.
 
My reaction, sounds like preaching to the Bitog choir. Most here would know to check the brakes/pads at least when the tires are rotated.

OTOH, sounds as though your friend could use some lessons in basic regular maintenance item checks. Either that, or find a shop that will do the regular checks for these items. Or, her lessons will be in paying more later for things like rotors.

But, as long as she has you around seems she doesn't have to worry about it.
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In my old age, I am going senile but all these years I thought TheCritic was a professional mechanic i.e. he earned his living wrenching the cars.

He does have lots of friends of opposite gender :-)

Now getting back to this topic, if she had waited few more days, would she have gotten the squeal from the wear indicator? Do brakes really get "weak" as the pads are wearing out? I suspect what was really needed was to adjust the rear drums to get the brakes the "behave" normal.

- Vikas
 
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Originally Posted By: GROUCHO MARX
Female driving usually entails foot from accelerator to brake pedal frequently.

My guess is that those brake pads were begging for the firing squad.


+1, 45k is kind of weak for pad life IMO.

That said, the overall point is a good one. Dealers do seem to give the whole laundry list of things they seem to think are getting old/bad, but in my experience, other than silly stuff like an attempt to upsell new tie rod ends during an alignment, they usually are reasonably spot on. People just dont get it that while dealer prices may be a bit higher, they are also using OE parts and they usually have a pretty good feel for what your car actually needs. Trusting bargain shops likely doesnt get a full workthrough, and especially if one isnt very adept/observant at this type of stuff, it is key to have a trusted person checking over the stuff.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
+1, 45k is kind of weak for pad life IMO.

My wife managed to wear out the front OE pads of the E430 in 10k miles/10 months and the OE tires were down to wear bar in 14k miles/1 year.
 
Originally Posted By: Rick in PA
Originally Posted By: The Critic
...$47 for the set of front pads after the Critic discount
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Hey, can I get "the Critic discount"?
I use to get "the brother's discount", then the brother got out of the car biz.
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You just have to ask. The majority of the time, the parts guys will be give you a discount if you ask nicely. The last few times, I got between 15-20% off.

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
+1, 45k is kind of weak for pad life IMO.

Brake life really varies, but considering that most of those miles were accumulated in hilly Santa Cruz and Highway 17, 45k is pretty good IMO.

Originally Posted By: Vikas
In my old age, I am going senile but all these years I thought TheCritic was a professional mechanic i.e. he earned his living wrenching the cars.

He does have lots of friends of opposite gender :-)

Now getting back to this topic, if she had waited few more days, would she have gotten the squeal from the wear indicator? Do brakes really get "weak" as the pads are wearing out? I suspect what was really needed was to adjust the rear drums to get the brakes the "behave" normal.

- Vikas


I definitely have an interest in working on cars, and I do make an effort to stay up to date with industry developments, but I am not a professional technician. Nor do I ever intend to be. Although I usually do my own repairs, lately I've been getting lazier and I am also living in an apartment here at school, so I haven't been able to wrench on my friend's cars for them. So, I do the next best thing-- give them good advice and find them quality auto work at a reasonable price.

I think the wear indicators would've kicked in we had waited another 500-1000 miles, though at that point it would be critical to replace the pads immediately or else serious rotor scoring would occur. It appeared that the wear indicator was not going to start "screaming" until there was
As for the pads getting weak as they age, I personally did not subscribe to that theory, but now I am reconsidering. There is definitely a very noticeable improvement in braking performance with the fresh set of OE pads. Adjusting the rear drums may have allowed the pedal to be slightly more responsive, but it is also very obvious when the rear shoes are doing the work and when the front pads are doing the work. When the rear shoes are doing work, you definitely don't feel the same bite that you do when the front pads are doing the work. If the rear shoes are trying to stop the car, the feeling is quite similar to wood on metal. After the brake job, it is very obvious that the front pads are biting much harder.
 
The pads should not get weak as they wear down. Critic mentioned that the inner pads were worn out to 2mm, he did not mention the outer pads, but judging from his description they had more material left.

If that is the case, then the pins were not lubed properly and pads were sticking, therefore they wore off sooner and performance suffered.


I took my pads down to about 2mm as well and I had no performance loss, but the pads were evenly worn and I inspected and lubed the pins every year.
 
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
The pads should not get weak as they wear down. Critic mentioned that the inner pads were worn out to 2mm, he did not mention the outer pads, but judging from his description they had more material left.

If that is the case, then the pins were not lubed properly and pads were sticking, therefore they wore off sooner and performance suffered.


The outer pads had 2mm more on them. It's more of a difference than I would like to see, but the wear difference isn't out of the norm for most disc brakes I've serviced as well.
 
Originally Posted By: Spector
Guess your state does not have a mandatory inspection every year


Nope, just biennial smog. On a sliding caliper seeing more wear on the inside pad is normal. On a fixed caliper it isn't normal.
 
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