Why not Valvoline Restore and Protect for average Joe OCIs?

[tired]

They did two 24 hour OCI runs of Valvoline Restore and Protect on both of those 500K engines. Tore them both down after those two 24 hour OCIs.

In the Valvoline video they only ran two 24 hour OCIs on each engine, not 4 on each engine. They only tore them down after the 2nd run with Valvoline Restore and Protect. They also changed the filter at 24 hour with the oil.

I don't think there were two separate tear downs on each engine in the Valvoline Restore and Protect testing. Two 24 hrs runs, so 48 hrs total on Valvoline Restore and Protect. Then the tear down on each engine. The future planned runs haven't been done and published yet.

Hope people don't need to be an eye witness in court.

I address this in great detail in this post with screenshots and links to specific times in the video. You can watch the video yourself (skipped ahead to the appropriate times).

I think many people stopped watching before the end.

Edit: I forgot my post was in this thread. These replies are on the same page where I laid it all out!

 

[tired]

And then at the very end they mentioned running it two additional runs of Valvoline Restore and Protect (a total) of 4 with a quick shot of a cleaner piston.

Yes, exactly! We have someone who paid attention and watched until the end!

 

[ZeeOSix]

I address this in great detail in this post with screenshots and links to specific times in the video. You can watch the video yourself (skipped ahead to the appropriate times).

I think many people stopped watching before the end.

Edit: I forgot my post was in this thread. These replies are on the same page where I laid it all out!

People where discussing what testing was done and covered by the video you're referencing - some were claiming that 4 runs on Valvoline Restore and Protect was done. They did not do 4 OCI runs in that testing before the tear down in that video - they only did two 24 hour runs on Valvoline Restore and Protect. They said they planned on putting those two engines back together and doing 2 more runs ... but they have done that and showed the results yet. All they have shown is two 24 OCI runs on those two 500K mile engines so far as shown in that latest Valvoline video. Some people earlier in this thread were claiming they did 100s of hour of testing on Valvoline Restore and Protect so far ... not true. Those are the points I was trying to clarify.

 

[tired]

People where discussing what testing was done and covered by the video you're referencing - some were claiming that 4 runs on Valvoline Restore and Protect was done. They did not do 4 OCI runs in that testing before the tear down in that video. They said they planned on putting those two engines back together and doing 2 more runs ... but they have done that and showed the results yet. All they have shown is two 24 OCI runs on those two 500K mile engines so far as shown in that latest Valvoline video. Some people earlier in this thread were claiming they did 100s of hour of testing on Valvoline Restore and Protect so far ... not true.

Man I don't know what to tell you. I literally screenshot the transcript and queued up the videos to the exact moment you needed to watch. You just had to watch for about 10-15 seconds.

I really hope I never have to be judged by a jury...

 

[Japanese]

From what I have experienced and from what we have all read about it on the forum, it really seems like a no brainer for the average driver who just wants a standard OCI oil.

Valvoline Restore and Protect is not for the average Joe.

My empty Walmart shelf says otherwise.

It ends up, Valvoline Restore and Protect is already the oil of the average Joe.
It took about 2 years for the Valvoline Restore and Protect to become the oil of the average Joe. However, usually the average Joe doesn't care that much about his engine like the people who use that oil.

 

[tired]

It ends up, Valvoline Restore and Protect is already the oil of the average Joe.
It took about 2 years for the Valvoline Restore and Protect to become the oil of the average Joe. However, usually the average Joe doesn't care that much about his engine like the people who use that oil.

It definitely does appear to be popular, but there's two components to availability: supply and demand. Supply may just be far too short. Wish they'd make more 5W-30 and stop wasting time with 0W-16.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Man I don't know what to tell you. I literally screenshot the transcript and queued up the videos to the exact moment you needed to watch. You just had to watch for about 10-15 seconds.

Ok, I watched the Valvoline video again and they did do two more runs ... assuming they did another two 24 hour runs? - they didn't say and really didn't give details. They showed a little bit of the visual results of that at the very end of the video (assuming those were the parts after the second two 24 hr runs), like it was kind of a "teaser" for some other new future video that would show way more details - that's what they should do for max viewer results. If they had the engines opened up after 4 runs each, then why didn't they just make the video showing results from the first two runs, then again in more detail of the all the parts after the second two runs ... who's the producer of that video, lol.

Anyway, if they did do a total of four 24 hour runs at an equivalency of 50 MPH avg (note that the engines were on stands, not in the vehicles like they originally were) then that would still only be 4 x 24 Hrs x 50 MPH = 4,800 miles ran on Valvoline Restore and Protect.

 

[Japanese]

Supply may just be far too short. Wish they'd make more 5W-30 and stop wasting time with 0W-16.

I also think that the supply of Valvoline Restore and Protect is too short, especially for relatively new oil. Although its' already 2 years old. I also thought the other day why would you make Valvoline Restore and Protect 0W-16 when people mostly use it in older cars. It makes more sense to release 0W-40 (which is already sold in China) or 5W-40 or 10W-40 (which is already sold in Australia).
However, develoing Valvoline Restore and Protect as 0W-16 it also may mean that in one moment Valvoline Restore and Protect will replace some of the other Valvoline lines, most likely tha main line - Advanced Protection.

I think Valvoline may still do some experimentation with that oil and wants to supply to less pretentious markets than the US one. Meaning if the oil doesn't do as advertised or even damage any engine, they have much better chance to don't get sued in those countries than in the US.

 

[tired]

I also thought the other day why would you make Valvoline Restore and Protect 0W-16 when people mostly use it in older cars.

Exactly

Honestly makes zero sense why anyone would buy any other Valvoline product (besides their Euro offering if you need the approval) than Valvoline Restore and Protect.

 

[CleanSump]

My attention span is too short for this. They dirtied engines then they ran Valvoline Restore and Protect and they had undirtied engines. BLUF for the win.

 

[tired]

Ok, I watched the Valvoline video again and they did do two more runs

Finally!

 

[ZeeOSix]

Finally!

It still wasn't 100s of hours running Valvoline Restore and Protect like some claimed … 96 hrs if all 4 runs were 24 hrs each. They could have done a better job on producing that video, and dove into more details between the first two runs vs the second two runs. I'd think they'd be anxious to show the details of 4 vs 2 runs. They should have ran each OCI for 100 hrs each to closer simulate a 5K OCI.

 

[tired]

It still wasn't 100s of hours running Valvoline Restore and Protect like some claimed

Not from me!

They could have done a better job on producing that video

Agree. 95% of it was the first two runs. Then like 2 minutes at the end was on the second two. Very rushed.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Agree. 95% of it was the first two runs. Then like 2 minutes at the end was on the second two. Very rushed.

Maybe they will make a more detailed 2nd video of the following runs showing all the guts of the engines, etc for comparison, instead of some teaser shots. I think it would be beneficial for their viewers to see that. If they tore them down again, why wouldn't they document it in detail?

 

[tired]

Ok, I watched the Valvoline video again and they did do two more runs ... assuming they did another two 24 hour runs? - they didn't say and really didn't give details. They showed a little bit of the visual results of that at the very end of the video (assuming those were the parts after the second two 24 hr runs), like it was kind of a "teaser" for some other new future video that would show way more details - that's what they should do for max viewer results. If they had the engines opened up after 4 runs each, then why didn't they just make the video showing results from the first two runs, then again in more detail of the all the parts after the second two runs ... who's the producer of that video, lol.

Anyway, if they did do a total of four 24 hour runs at an equivalency of 50 MPH avg (note that the engines were on stands, not in the vehicles like they originally were) then that would still only be 4 x 24 Hrs x 50 MPH = 4,800 miles ran on Valvoline Restore and Protect.

I found this in Lake's Valvoline lab video. Thought it might be helpful to shed light on how long these OCIs were.

 

[ZeeOSix]

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I found this in Lake's Valvoline lab video. Thought it might be helpful to shed light on how long these OCIs were.

Which JSJr video ... the 2nd video in this post in a different thread (cross threading is in these days, lol)? ---> LINK

If so, then look at my post 276 in that thread which shows the clue that the used oil analysis summary LSJr shows in that video was for the 4 runs of Valvoline Restore and Protect with a used oil analysis at each oil drain. If 90 hrs roughly equals a 4,000 mile oil change, then 144 hrs over 4 oil changes would equate to roughly running it for 144/90 x 4,000 = 6,400 miles. The estimate by some was 50 mph avg, so at the cumulative 144 hrs at that rate would be 7,200 miles, so pretty close.

The 4,000 miles equating to 90 hrs averages out to 44.4 mph, due to them saying the engines on the test stands were ran through the same operational profile as when they were ran in the cars on the chassis dyno, which would include varying RPM and maybe even some idling time to simulate real world operation.

 

[tired]

the 2nd video in this post in a different thread (cross threading is in these days, lol)?

No it was in a different one. The old LSJ video where he visits the lab. But I do appreciate you linking to that specific post!

(Anyone wondering how, you can just click on that universal share icon

in the upper right, and it gives you the link to that post. Or you can right click on the date and time above the post and copy the link, so you don't have to do this scroll to post xyz stuff.)

This is the video. I think you posted it in another thread too.

The estimate by some was 50 mph avg, so at the cumulative 144 hrs at that rate would be 7,200 miles, so pretty close.

I wasn't trying to say you're wrong. Just adding some data to the discussion, so we don't have to guess.

 

[ZeeOSix]

I wasn't trying to say you're wrong. Just adding some data to the discussion, so we don't have to guess.

Just added that correlation as it seems all the guessing is disappearing after putting all these scattered pieces from different videos together. They should have just clearly laid out a summary of exactly how the 4 runs on VRP were done on the engines on the test stands instead of making it cryptic in multiple videos, lol.

 

[tired]

Just added that correlation as it seems all the guessing is disappearing after putting all these scattered pieces from different videos together. They should have just clearly laid out a summary of exactly how the 4 runs on VRP were done on the engines on the test stands instead of making it cryptic in multiple videos, lol.

Agree. They could have done a much better job with that video.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Agree. They could have done a much better job with that video.

It's like a true crime mystery.