If LPG gives better mileage to the dollar and is easy on the engine, why not more vehicles with LPG? Isn't there enough government support? A lot of people drive SUV's and don't use all the room, could they not add an LPG tank? And does oil last longer when burning LPG? And LPG produces more power and torque with a diesel, right?
Why not more LPG?
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that is a good point. there is a company in arizona that converts stratus's (maybe others) my dad liked the idea but then realized it was in arizona. oil does last longer when lpg is a fuel. spark plugs last a really long time.
lpg in a diesel makes more power sometimes. it would be a fuel. and you can only add so much fuel before you start loosing power. lpg is a cheap way to gain some power on an unmodified truck but on a highly modified truck they owner should have large injectors in there, therefore the lpg would not produce the same gains as on a stock truck. that is when nitrous is used to add extra air into the system to burn the fuel.
my dad converted his onan generator to lpg. that thing will start every time within a few seconds. before if it went more than a few months between starts you would have to fiddle with the carb to get it running. we also have a whole house onan generator that runs on lpg. starts every time. the large onan has a ford 2.3l type engine.
lpg in a diesel makes more power sometimes. it would be a fuel. and you can only add so much fuel before you start loosing power. lpg is a cheap way to gain some power on an unmodified truck but on a highly modified truck they owner should have large injectors in there, therefore the lpg would not produce the same gains as on a stock truck. that is when nitrous is used to add extra air into the system to burn the fuel.
my dad converted his onan generator to lpg. that thing will start every time within a few seconds. before if it went more than a few months between starts you would have to fiddle with the carb to get it running. we also have a whole house onan generator that runs on lpg. starts every time. the large onan has a ford 2.3l type engine.
The Clinton BTU tax made the fuel to expensive to run. Other than that LPG is a great fuel as would be a clean diesel engine, but those nasty little BTU's must be heavily taxed.
I'm surprised about this, too. In Armenia, where my parents live now, most of the public transportation runs on liquid gas. The tanks are mounted on the roof. When going downhill, they have a switch that stops the gas supply to the engine while it's running. It's basically a primitive form of cylinder deactivation.
The more successful taxi companies run on liquid gas as well. And because the fuel costs are lower, they can afford to have Mercedes cars instead of the cheaper ones. the gas tanks are located in the trunk, and the refill port is under the hood.
The more successful taxi companies run on liquid gas as well. And because the fuel costs are lower, they can afford to have Mercedes cars instead of the cheaper ones. the gas tanks are located in the trunk, and the refill port is under the hood.
I read in NYT that Honda sells Civics in California that run on natural gas. It said that they can be refuelled in a filling station, or they sell a device that hooks up to the natural gas line at home.
The problem with option number two is that it is not taxed by the government as anautomotive fuel.
The problem with option number two is that it is not taxed by the government as anautomotive fuel.
In Japan all Taxi runs on LPG, but in Hong Kong they tried it once and abandon the project due to fuel cost. I guess cost is all relative and vary between regions.
I personally dislike carrying a 100lb LPG bomb in the trunk, and refueling is not as easy as gasoline or diesel. This limit its primary use to fleet like Taxi, Police, parking, security, and delivery.
I personally dislike carrying a 100lb LPG bomb in the trunk, and refueling is not as easy as gasoline or diesel. This limit its primary use to fleet like Taxi, Police, parking, security, and delivery.
I've had an LPG vehicle (nealry every taxi runs the stuff also), and found no disadvantages other than with the sysytem I had it didn't like cold starts on gas.
Simply switched to petrol on the way hom for my last trip of the day, started that morning, and left it on gas the rest of the time.
Refueling is no more complicated than petrol, except that you screw the nozzle on rather than insert it.
Simply switched to petrol on the way hom for my last trip of the day, started that morning, and left it on gas the rest of the time.
Refueling is no more complicated than petrol, except that you screw the nozzle on rather than insert it.
Four problems: mass, cost, performance, and distribution.
For a 300-mile operating range, a vehicle must carry a physically large and heavy amount of fuel, and fuel tank.
LPG is often more expensive than electricity, natural gas, and diesel, for a given amount of BTUs. Costs do vary with local conditions, however.
A rig with a large heavy fuel tank must itself be large and heavy. The resulting vehicule thus necessarily will handle/accelerate poorer than its gas-powered cousin.
Like hydrogen fuels, a fueling network must be established and appropriate procedures put in place for the handling and dispensing of LPG.
Or, I could be wrong.
For a 300-mile operating range, a vehicle must carry a physically large and heavy amount of fuel, and fuel tank.
LPG is often more expensive than electricity, natural gas, and diesel, for a given amount of BTUs. Costs do vary with local conditions, however.
A rig with a large heavy fuel tank must itself be large and heavy. The resulting vehicule thus necessarily will handle/accelerate poorer than its gas-powered cousin.
Like hydrogen fuels, a fueling network must be established and appropriate procedures put in place for the handling and dispensing of LPG.
Or, I could be wrong.
"Like hydrogen fuels, a fueling network must be established and appropriate procedures put in place for the handling and dispensing of LPG."
the fueling network is there.. just about every mom& pop gas station and every hardware store around here fills propane (LPG) tanks. on my 3 mile trip to work I pass 3 locations that fill LPG, but only 2 that sell gas/diesel. the biggest problem for me is that LPG isn't 85% the cost of gasoline... it's been = to $0.30 more per gallon.
the fueling network is there.. just about every mom& pop gas station and every hardware store around here fills propane (LPG) tanks. on my 3 mile trip to work I pass 3 locations that fill LPG, but only 2 that sell gas/diesel. the biggest problem for me is that LPG isn't 85% the cost of gasoline... it's been = to $0.30 more per gallon.
Natural gas makes some more sense. Not taxed like gasoline, and you can refill at your house.
Honda has just such a program that they have begun testing, I believe the first customer car was recently delivered.
I think they've been doing this for fleets for a few years now.
http://automobiles.honda.com/models/model_overview.asp?ModelName=Civic+GX
Honda has just such a program that they have begun testing, I believe the first customer car was recently delivered.
I think they've been doing this for fleets for a few years now.
http://automobiles.honda.com/models/model_overview.asp?ModelName=Civic+GX
Given what I'm paying to heat my house
I don't know that it would be cheaper.
Problems I see are the fuel tank size and dealing with the high pressures there and at fueling stations to keep it liquified.
My sister used to work for the gas company and told me that they converted most of their cars and trucks to run on LNG because it was essentially free for them. It's good for fleet vehicles in general if they go back to the same place every day to get refueled. Back in the early 80's when gasoline was relatively expensive, my town converted all the police cars to LPG.
Problems I see are the fuel tank size and dealing with the high pressures there and at fueling stations to keep it liquified.
My sister used to work for the gas company and told me that they converted most of their cars and trucks to run on LNG because it was essentially free for them. It's good for fleet vehicles in general if they go back to the same place every day to get refueled. Back in the early 80's when gasoline was relatively expensive, my town converted all the police cars to LPG.
I work for a state agency and we have 2 CNG Honda Civics in our meager fleet. One is a 1998 and the other a 1999. Both have well over 100,000 miles on them but are still going strong.
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LarryL, I don't believe they are a dual-fuel set-up ... but I'm not sure. I've never ridden in them nor even seen them.
I work in the finance office and we have to keep records on them for budget reasons. However, the guy who manages our fleet is amazed they run as well as they do.
As a former Honda Civic owner, their performance doesn't surprise me.
--- Bror Jace
I work in the finance office and we have to keep records on them for budget reasons. However, the guy who manages our fleet is amazed they run as well as they do.
As a former Honda Civic owner, their performance doesn't surprise me.
--- Bror Jace
Several large cities are experimenting with CNG and it certainly eliminates those sooty clouds that diesels produced, however, this country doesn't have enough of its' own LNG to power utilities or heat homes when extreme temps hit so this is probably not a real option. Much Methane
(LNG) is overseas and being flared-off because we don't yet have enough specialized tankers with the domed insulated tanks to transport to us.
(LNG) is overseas and being flared-off because we don't yet have enough specialized tankers with the domed insulated tanks to transport to us.
Speaking of auto fuel..
Crude up to $64+ bucks and gasoline up 40 cents in the last 40 days. Not looking good
Get ready for the news stories this week and poiticians dusting off new energy inititives for the 3rd time in a year.
Crude up to $64+ bucks and gasoline up 40 cents in the last 40 days. Not looking good
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Help me out here. Our boilers ran off of the main trunk of the utility's natural gas line. When we went to a larger boiler ..we had to get the utility to open the line more for volume since we over taxed the current choke with our 7 lb line pressure at that demand.
Now how in the heck would I take a low pressure NG source and fill a CNG tank?? Does the car come with its own compressor??
Why?
H2 If I got the facts straight, 3 of the 125CM LNG tankers I worked on at Fore River Ship yard in Quincy, in the 70s are mothballed some where and never used. The Algerian gas field deal never materialized or some such.
In Sri Lanka, where I'm originally from, a lot of modern japanese/korean cars are converted to run on LPG or regular gasoline (selectable by switch on dash). My brother's Accord there is one example, and I've driven it there. while certainly less costly, i could notice the "lagging" of the engine when switched to LPG from gas, especially during passing, etc.
However, for around town driving and hwy cruising, LPG is a great way to save.
However, for around town driving and hwy cruising, LPG is a great way to save.
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