Yes. And the Arctic 12's are rebadged NordFrost 100Weren't the Arctics originally just rebadged Gislaved Nordfrost 3 tires? I had Nordfrost 5s on my BMW at the time, that's why I bought the Arctics for my ECHO.
Since you did ton of reading, can you provide us some data?Hello
I have been doing a ton of reading about snow / winter performace All Season tires.
From what I have read the General Altimax RT43 has much better stopping in snow compared to tires rated with 3PMSF (Falken Wildpeak, Cooper Discoverer AT3 4S, and Cooper Discoverer Enduramax.
This begs the question why doesn't the RT43 have the 3PMSF rating?
Everything is a tradeoff-I wonder if deep sipes might have more squirm and wear faster than if they only went halfway. Hard to say, and I bet average temperatures would alter the results anyhow.
They seem to be doing a good job on wet and snow covered roads since I had them installed on my Cavalier. All around good tire.Hello
I have been doing a ton of reading about snow / winter performace All Season tires.
From what I have read the General Altimax RT43 has much better stopping in snow compared to tires rated with 3PMSF (Falken Wildpeak, Cooper Discoverer AT3 4S, and Cooper Discoverer Enduramax.
This begs the question why doesn't the RT43 have the 3PMSF rating?
Are the RT43's tested on the same SUV as the 3PMSF All-terrain tires? If no, apples to oranges.Hello
I have been doing a ton of reading about snow / winter performace All Season tires.
From what I have read the General Altimax RT43 has much better stopping in snow compared to tires rated with 3PMSF (Falken Wildpeak, Cooper Discoverer AT3 4S, and Cooper Discoverer Enduramax.
This begs the question why doesn't the RT43 have the 3PMSF rating?
My pre-12 Altimax Arctics have considerable tread squirm. It's not a problem... it's just weird.Everything is a tradeoff-I wonder if deep sipes might have more squirm and wear faster than if they only went halfway. Hard to say, and I bet average temperatures would alter the results anyhow.
Must be a different Europe than the one I'm from.Just so everyone knows: In some places - I'm looking at you Europe! - the Mountain/Snowflake symbol is regarded with disfavor. Instead of taking the symbol for what it is - passing a test - it is looked at negatively and hurts sales.
Just an FYI:
One way Tire designers deal with the problem of full depth sipes being desirable, but them causing rapid wear and squirrely handling when the tire is new, is to make the sipe only partially full depth - like only partial at the ends, or a saw tooth pattern.
Why would some consider the Mountain/Snowflake symbol with disfavor? What are the short comings and why is it looked at negatively with hurt sales?Just so everyone knows: In some places - I'm looking at you Europe! - the Mountain/Snowflake symbol is regarded with disfavor. Instead of taking the symbol for what it is - passing a test - it is looked at negatively and hurts sales.
I live in San Francisco. I am not looking for a winter tire. I am looking for an All Weather 3PMSF tire or similar that has excellent snow traction. Some call this type of tire All Season with Severe Snow Service Rating.RT43's are not, and never will be a true winter tire period. It gets you by.
Excellent and all season and all weather cannot go into same sentence.I live in San Francisco. I am not looking for a winter tire. I am looking for an All Weather 3PMSF tire or similar that has excellent snow traction. Some call this type of tire All Season with Severe Snow Service Rating.
It is NIH syndrome (Not Invented Here).
Apparently Germans recovered and now endorse 3MPSF tires.
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Maybe because RT43 doesn't perform as great on ice?Hello
I have been doing a ton of reading about snow / winter performace All Season tires.
From what I have read the General Altimax RT43 has much better stopping in snow compared to tires rated with 3PMSF (Falken Wildpeak, Cooper Discoverer AT3 4S, and Cooper Discoverer Enduramax.
This begs the question why doesn't the RT43 have the 3PMSF rating?