Why is Mobil 1 such a lightning rod?

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I get it, somewhat. They are the market leader (?), and in some people's minds the best synthetic oil generally available. It just seems like Mobil 1 really polarizes people into two camps. It seems political, really.

1. Love it, have always used it, always will.

2. Look at the IRON!! I'll never touch the stuff!

And others who use it when it suits them (rebate, deal, whatever). I don't see this kind of hype around, say, PP, or SynPower, or Quaker State Synthetics. Am I right, or am I missing some factor in these debates?
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
It attracts lightning because of all the iron.


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Because it's next in que. There is a rotating list of BITOG whipping boys. Mobil 1 is the current one. Castrol and Royal Purple are some of the previous honorees. Be interesting to see who's next.
 
That actually makes sense. I know I've just joined in the fun, but I've been reading on here for over a year. I can understand what is happening (the cycle of whipping boys).

Place your bets!
 
I don't think Mobil 1 is a lightning rod here. I think people here are always looking for the best possible motor oil. If any apparent problems with a motor oil brand show up in VOAs or used oil analysis people here are quick to notice.

For example, in several used oil analysis there seemed to be high iron present when Mobil 1 of certain viscosities and type had been used. I don't know if there was an actual problem or not with the Mobil 1 but people had a right be be alarmed by the high iron readings. After all, that could be an indicator of high wear.

Some people have wondered if Mobil 1 quality may have been affected for a while because of a hurricane in the Gulf affecting raw material supplies needed by Mobil.

And higher pour point levels for more recent Mobil 1 compared to Mobil 1 made in the past may be an indication of a change in what Mobil is using to make Mobil 1 oil.

I think all of these things are legit items for discussion. And people here are very interested in motor oil and will be quick to notice a lot of different things about any brand of motor oil.
 
And yet...I've pointed out several times when used oil analysis of other oils show higher iron numbers, there is not a single comment!
 
Originally Posted By: vtb
I get it, somewhat. They are the market leader (?), and in some people's minds the best synthetic oil generally available. It just seems like Mobil 1 really polarizes people into two camps. It seems political, really.

1. Love it, have always used it, always will.

2. Look at the IRON!! I'll never touch the stuff!

And others who use it when it suits them (rebate, deal, whatever). I don't see this kind of hype around, say, PP, or SynPower, or Quaker State Synthetics. Am I right, or am I missing some factor in these debates?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm in neither camp. I actually don't even care too much about how Mobil 1 performs, except as a matter of curiosity. But here's how I see it.

A few years ago, a few experts pointed to some UOA data and said that Mobil 1's performance may be slipping. A lot of people, most of them total novices, read this and felt that it made them qualified to speak on the subject. So, they repeated it loudly and confidently at every opportunity. A few years later, here we are...

It was the same thing with Castrol (when they switched to group III base stocks) and Royal Purple (when used oil analysis showed that their oils sheared). The same thing has worked in some companies' favors, too, like in the case of the Royal Purple Mustang cam pictures, or with the litany of anecdotes about Marvel Mystery Oil.

It's really just total novices seizing on real info that they don't know how to interpret, and then throwing it around without knowing how to apply it. Yes, the cycle will continue, because very few people seem to be willing to break it. Everyone loves being able to speak like they know something, and most people seem to think that is more valuable than actually getting at the truth.

People seem to be getting slightly more critical lately, though. At least on BITOG. So, maybe there is hope. We'll see...
 
Originally Posted By: Boomer
And yet...I've pointed out several times when used oil analysis of other oils show higher iron numbers, there is not a single comment!

Case in point. People just want something to talk about. The truth is entirely secondary.
 
Originally Posted By: Boomer
And yet...I've pointed out several times when used oil analysis of other oils show higher iron numbers, there is not a single comment!


It's not a trend with other oils like it has been with Mobil 1.
 
Am I a total novice doodfood? Do you know more about oil then the people who point out the factual evidence about Mobil 1, and does that even matter?

Is Terry Dyson, who proclaimed that he sees more wear with Mobil 1 in his testing (and he concludes it's actual wear), a total novice?

Are the lawyers who obviously allow their clients at Valvoline, Castrol, and Quaker State to continue advertising that their products are superior to Mobil 1, novices?

I'm sorry some of you guys who tout a product don't like criticism, but it's not going to stop me or others from pointing out simple facts.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Am I a total novice doodfood? Do you know more about oil then the people who point out the factual evidence about Mobil 1, and does that even matter?

Is Terry Dyson, who proclaimed that he sees more wear with Mobil 1 in his testing (and he concludes it's actual wear), a total novice?

Are the lawyers who obviously allow their clients at Valvoline, Castrol, and Quaker State to continue advertising that their products are superior to Mobil 1, novices?

I'm sorry some of you guys who tout a product don't like criticism, but it's not going to stop me or others from pointing out simple facts.



Drew,
Can I still point out facts of many family and friends using nothing but M1 with engines that have many miles on them(200-300K+) with never any engine problems, like wear?
 
That's been addressed before. The M1 you've been using for twenty-something years is not the same oil you're using right now.

Also, M1 doesn't perform badly all the time. We see some good UOA of M1 so it's more complicated than "M1 sucks in every engine for every driving style all the time."
 
Originally Posted By: prax
That's been addressed before. The M1 you've been using for twenty-something years is not the same oil you're using right now.

Also, M1 doesn't perform badly all the time. We see some good UOA of M1 so it's more complicated than "M1 sucks in every engine for every driving style all the time."


It's 32 years, and the M1 I use today is as good or better than any M1 I have ever used.
 
Originally Posted By: vtb
It seems political, really.

It's like USA: similar polarization of attitudes
 
Originally Posted By: Jim Allen
Be interesting to see who's next.


Royal Pennzoline 1.
I hate the stuff.
 
Originally Posted By: river_rat
Originally Posted By: Jim Allen
Be interesting to see who's next.


Royal Pennzoline 1.
I hate the stuff.


I don't like AmzRoyal PennRedoline 1
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