Which adbv are "high quality"?

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Do we know if an adbv is high quality by color? I have seen silicon o-rings and packings in many colors, including black. Black ones have the same unlimited shelf life as the red and blue ones have.

I would like to use high quality oil filters in my vehicles. Filters spec'd for my new Jeep use black adbv. I'm going to go ahead and run them until I notice a start-up noise because I can't prove an adbv is not high quality, by it's color.
 
Usually black ADBVs are nitrile rubber, and other colors are silicone. Most silicone ADBVs are red, but some are other colors. I've never seen blue one, but I have some Royal Purple filters and they have a purple ADBV.
 
I was worried about an old Wix filter I had that still had a nitrile ADBV.

Used it one Winter, and it never gave me a dry start.

The only way you can tell if a black ADBV is silicone is to take one out of a used filter and stick it in the freezer.

If it is very hard it is nitrile, still soft and pliable it is silicone.

Personally, I only use a filter with a silicone ADBV as I have very cold Winters so it is just a bonus for me.
 
Never seen a "black" silicone adbv. Please post any links to pics, specs or authoritative references to black silicone adbv as I would be very interested in seeing one for the first time.

Most all aftermarket and oem filters list whether an adbv is silcone or nitrile. Generally silicone will be an orange/red'ish' color. Royal Puple uses purple and recently seen a Mitsubishi in blue.

Nitrile adbv generally considered reliable for ~5k, but can go farther if start up rattle not an issue. Silicone good for most any extended oci within filter or vehicle manufacturers spec.

To me it would be foolish marketing to try and use a black silicone adbv as black is associated with nitrile adbvs.

And while silicone adbv use is considered a higher tier filter, Donaldson is considered higher tier and they use nitrile.
 
Originally Posted By: jorton
Do we know if an adbv is high quality by color? I have seen silicon o-rings and packings in many colors, including black. Black ones have the same unlimited shelf life as the red and blue ones have.

I would like to use high quality oil filters in my vehicles. Filters spec'd for my new Jeep use black adbv. I'm going to go ahead and run them until I notice a start-up noise because I can't prove an adbv is not high quality, by it's color.


Fwiw, PureOne filters have silicone ADBVs (and they are red) and are pretty easy to find. PureOne filters also seem to be well-regarded here.
 
Originally Posted By: Michael_P
That must have been an old Wix filter. Wix has used silicone since 2001.

now they are making Mopar Filters, and using nitrile on them.
 
The last car I had was sensitive to ADBV's and some of the twenty, or so, different brands and varieties of filters I used in my 23 year ownership of the car resulted in a small bit of clattering at startup. I did 10,000 mile OCI's with various synthetics 10w30's (later, Rotella 5W-40 syn). It did not seem to make a difference whether the ADBV was nitrile or silicone. Some drained overnight and some didn't. It rarely gets cold enough here for that to be an issue and the car was garaged.

So, don't let the ADBV material be a deciding factor. It just so happens that pretty much all of the premium level filters these days use silicone.
 
Originally Posted By: KD0AXS
Usually black ADBVs are nitrile rubber, and other colors are silicone. Most silicone ADBVs are red, but some are other colors. I've never seen blue one, but I have some Royal Purple filters and they have a purple ADBV.


To add, most filter manufacturers will say if the ADBV is silicone because it's a good selling point. Silicon ADBV is an "upgrade" in material.
 
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
It rarely gets cold enough here for that to be an issue and the car was garaged.

So, don't let the ADBV material be a deciding factor.


If I lived someplace where the temperatures get near freezing or below I'd certainly use a filter with a silicone ADBV. Just added insurance that the ADBV will work well.
 
In my old car, at least, it became quickly and readily apparent whether the ADBV did its job. So, I learned what brands of filters worked for that car and which didn't. KISS.

In a number of possible filter orientations an ADBV is not a concern at all. In my Mazda, my GF's 2003 Highlander, and my daughter's 1999 I30 no ADBV is even necessary because the filter mounts tapping plate up.
 
What is your Jeep's spec filter? Mopars are nitrile, at least all that I've seen, but there should be plenty of after market equivalents that have silicone ADBV's.
 
Oh, the Purolator looks different.
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Mopar filters used to be/were just Purolator classic clones, if you compare a current one, with the equivalent Wix, the only visible differences are the paint job, and the ADBV. (Wix=silicone,Mopar=nitrile)
apparently Canadian Mopar filters have been wix for a few years, looks like they switched the US ones over as well.
 
Originally Posted By: jorton
OK. So would that make the Mopar a NAPA silver?


Maybe this month. Next month it could be the next low bidder!
 
Originally Posted By: sayjac

And while silicone adbv use is considered a higher tier filter, Donaldson is considered higher tier and they use nitrile.


I've been wondering about that. I have notice that none of the highly esteemed industrial filter suppliers - Donaldson, Hastings & Baldwin - ever make any reference to their ADBV material - and on evey one I've seen, it's black.

Should we take this to mean that Silicone ADBVs are more an element of snobism than practical benefit?

Or does their seeming preference for Nitrile (if we can presume that black=Nitrile 100% of the time) really come form the fact that most of their sales are to commercial fleets. The combination of these fleets having salried mechanics in the house, buying oil & filters in bulk at low unit cost, and raking up mileage so fast that their OCI's are much shorter than than the typical driver and so these filters will be changed out long before the Nitrile is likely to fatigue or harden?
 
What you say does make some degree of sense. When I was dealing with fleet stuff and agricultural engines, I was happy to see an ADBV at all.
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However, that was many years ago, too.

Nonetheless, there aren't a lot of cold starts over an OCI (at least compared to a normal car). Generally speaking, I prefer a silicone ADBV, but nitrile hasn't scared me away from Hastings, the Motorcraft FL1A, or the Wix that the G currently calls for.
 
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