Where is the Electricity going to come to charge EVs ?

[350Rocket]

It might surprise you, but many of the host communities have indeed protested the wind turbines, it just doesn't get much media coverage because it doesn't fit the narrative. My mom was one of several hundred people in their rural New Brunswick hamlet that worked to organize a movement against these eyesores behind their expansive, and extremely beautiful rural property.

Here in Ontario, many of the communities that were forced to accept these large wind projects fought them tooth and nail. South Kent experienced, and continues to experience, huge issues with well water now due to how the infrasound from the wind turbines interacts with the shale.

Germany is currently having this problem, communities rallying against and rejecting wind farms because they are a blight on the landscape.

If all goes as expected/hoped, 2026 will mark the beginning of the end for existing wind projects in Ontario. That's the year the 20-year contracts start expiring and, barring some insane renewal or extension, this is when they will begin to be dismantled, as market rate, due to how grossly out of phase with demand wind produces, will not provide sufficient revenue to keep these things operating.

You might like this:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0301421515300495

And this:
https://www.cleanenergywire.org/new...tance-rules-threaten-countrys-competitiveness


This is being seen elsewhere too.

I remember seeing lots of anti wind farm signs on the islands around here and yet the wind turbines seem to be everywhere.

 

[OVERKILL]

While they do kill birds, they don't kill as many as other sources and with larger and larger blades, they kill less birds.

https://www.greentechmedia.com/arti...or-trend-helping-turbines-to-kill-fewer-birds

But you have to break eggs to make omelets as the saying goes.

It's not the killing of birds that's the issue. There are plenty of other sources of bird mortality that rate much higher on that scale, such as cats and building collisions. It's the killing of raptors that's the problem, and their mortality from wind turbine collisions is significant. Raptors don't really have any natural predators, they also don't get killed by house cats (they kill house cats) and don't typically fly into your windows. They do however glide along at high altitudes and get whacked to death by wind turbine blades.

 

[OVERKILL]

I remember seeing lots of anti wind farm signs on the islands around here and yet the wind turbines seem to be everywhere.

Yes, McGuilty and Wynne ran roughshod over rural communities that didn't want to host these abominations, being installed by companies that were Liberal party donors, and most being fossil fuel interests as well, to add insult to injury. Ford tried to cancel Nation Rise, but, despite it being way past its contract start date, the government was overruled and the project was allowed to complete, screwing ratepayers until 2041.

 

[Wolf359]

It's not the killing of birds that's the issue. There are plenty of other sources of bird mortality that rate much higher on that scale, such as cats and building collisions. It's the killing of raptors that's the problem, and their mortality from wind turbine collisions is significant. Raptors don't really have any natural predators, they also don't get killed by house cats (they kill house cats) and don't typically fly into your windows. They do however glide along at high altitudes and get whacked to death by wind turbine blades.

Some of the largest turbines out there now are meant for off shore use. Kinda hard to say how many they kill as there's not much evidence afterwards. I would think that the larger they are, the slower they spin but I guess the outer edge are still going at a decent clip.

 

[OVERKILL]

Some of the largest turbines out there now are meant for off shore use. Kinda hard to say how many they kill as there's not much evidence afterwards. I would think that the larger they are, the slower they spin but I guess the outer edge are still going at a decent clip.

Yes, the outer edge is still moving extremely quickly, it is just the RPM of the rotor that's slower. The offshore ones would be lower impact, because fewer raptors hunt out at sea, it's the land-based ones that are the primary issue there.

 

[ZeeOSix]

If mankind could figure out how to safely and effectively control gravity, and not cause any ill ramifications in doing so like other pollution or dangers, there could be endless pollution free electrical generation. Make delta gravity driven turbines instead of water driven turbines. Earth needs some alien technology break throughs.

 

[OVERKILL]

@alarmguy another article here, this from Robert Bryce:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robert...ked-again-this-time-in-maine/?sh=32296666514a

 

[Wolf359]

If mankind could figure out how to safely and effectively control gravity, and not cause any ill ramifications in doing so like other pollution or dangers, there could be endless pollution free electrical generation. Make delta gravity driven turbines instead of water driven turbines. Earth needs some alien technology break throughs.

That is super crazy talk. We don't even know what gravity is, just what it does. That's part of the pursuit of the grand unified theory, once you have that, then when you include gravity, you get a theory of everything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Unified_Theory

 

[ZeeOSix]

That is super crazy talk. We don't even know what gravity is, just what it does. That's part of the pursuit of the grand unified theory, once you have that, then when you include gravity, you get a theory of everything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Unified_Theory

People flying across the oceans was "crazy talk" 110 year ago. If you know what it does, you should someday discovery how it does it, and maybe even a way to control it.

So you think mankind has no new science break through discoveries to find in the future? I highly doubt that.

 

[Shannow]

Australian Estimates are that electricity demand is going to double with the targetted EV uptake.

Given the influx in non schedulable energy, that's a LOT of storage...

 

[PandaBear]

If mankind could figure out how to safely and effectively control gravity, and not cause any ill ramifications in doing so like other pollution or dangers, there could be endless pollution free electrical generation. Make delta gravity driven turbines instead of water driven turbines. Earth needs some alien technology break throughs.

There is none that will not violate law of physics. To "control" gravity if you can find a way, will still use energy. If you are going to use energy to control gravity anyways just use it to move things up and down to store / release energy like we are doing today.

People flying across the oceans was "crazy talk" 110 year ago. If you know what it does, you should someday discovery how it does it, and maybe even a way to control it.

So you think mankind has no new science break through discoveries to find in the future? I highly doubt that.

It would still be crazy talk today if we are going back to the energy source from 110 years ago. Without a high density energy source like diesel / gasoline it would not be possible to move pass air fast enough, long enough, to cross the oceans.

Everyone can be Colombus today with a marine engine, but with only a sail back then it would be much more dangerous.

 

[ZeeOSix]

There is none that will not violate law of physics. To "control" gravity if you can find a way, will still use energy. If you are going to use energy to control gravity anyways just use it to move things up and down to store / release energy like we are doing today.

Who says controlling gravity would or wouldn't have to violate the laws of physics when nobody knows how to do it yet? And maybe there are some laws of physics that still haven't been discovered yet that could be the key to new technology. If it could be controlled in a way to get more out of it then it takes to control it (and without producing negative issues in doing so) then it could be a way to drive turbines similar to how dam water drivers them, but by using a gravity delta field instead of water to spin them. Guess my mind isn't locked into believing that there are not still technology secrets in the universe that us monkeys haven't discovered yet. Many things done in the last 100 years due to technology would blow the minds of people who lived 100 years ago. Who says that still can't continue?

It would still be crazy talk today if we are going back to the energy source from 110 years ago. Without a high density energy source like diesel / gasoline it would not be possible to move pass air fast enough, long enough, to cross the oceans.

Everyone can be Colombus today with a marine engine, but with only a sail back then it would be much more dangerous.

Everything is crazy talk about how something that can't currently be done, or even imagined being done, until the technology is discovered and perfected to accomplish those crazy things.

 

[PandaBear]

ok bro, just chill alright?

 

[Krieg]

Utility provider? Answer to original question...From a managerial perspective, the onus is with the utility provider....Now, that is an easy answer. But, Corporations are in the business to make profits.....In a free market of capitalism. Who knows? There could be a paradigm shift. Just thinking.....

 

[JeffKeryk]

@PandaBear for a guy who works in Silicon Valley, you seem to be a skeptic. When I started in Semiconductors, 65nm was the most dense part of a chip. Now was are talking 5nm tech nodes... Now that's crazy talk!

The world says "I'll believe it when I see it."
Silicon Valley says, "I'll see it when I believe it."

I say, "Go big or go home." I decided to go big.

 

[Cujet]

If you are in VT why would you even consider solar? It wouldn't make sense.

It's all over the place in VT. Unfortunately, it's resulted in higher Natural Gas consumption due to it's fickle nature.

 

[Cujet]

Who says controlling gravity would or wouldn't have to violate the laws of physics when nobody knows how to do it yet?

Every pilot knows how to manage gravity! Einstein's equivalence principal states there is no difference between being subject to gravity and accelerating in a vehicle that's free of gravitational pull. We can experience no gravity or many times the force of gravity. We can and do control it, despite claims to the contrary.

But I get your point, we can't produce a magic device that simply eliminates gravity around a specific object, and makes (for example) an anvil float up from the ground. Sadly, it does not matter as much as people think, as it still takes energy to accelerate a mass, like a car on tires for example.

So, we know how to use inertia to create and negate gravity.

 

[y_p_w]

@PandaBear for a guy who works in Silicon Valley, you seem to be a skeptic. When I started in Semiconductors, 65nm was the most dense part of a chip. Now was are talking 5nm tech nodes... Now that's crazy talk!

The world says "I'll believe it when I see it."
Silicon Valley says, "I'll see it when I believe it."

I say, "Go big or go home." I decided to go big.

My undergrad projects included layout in a generic 2 µm process with only two metal layers using Magic. However, my professor did comment that he liked my layout of a large inverter, which was carefully mirror imaged. I didn't make a career out of layout though.

I've worked on mixed-signal semiconductors that had a physical size requirement because of human interaction. We specifically went after older processes that were good enough, but cost less per unit area of silicon. Going for the smallest/fastest nodes made sense for pure digital electronics, but not really for a lot of things. Canon uses older, cheaper process nodes to make their image sensors, where more area improves exposure to light. Same with Sony, which makes more image sensors than anyone else (and sells to Nikon). But it got interesting for smaller companies going to a fab, since the fabs eventually shut down because they weren't as profitable, or the fab was upgraded to a newer process node.

 

[PandaBear]

@PandaBear for a guy who works in Silicon Valley, you seem to be a skeptic. When I started in Semiconductors, 65nm was the most dense part of a chip. Now was are talking 5nm tech nodes... Now that's crazy talk!

The world says "I'll believe it when I see it."
Silicon Valley says, "I'll see it when I believe it."

I say, "Go big or go home." I decided to go big.

VC says "I'll sell it when I believe it". I don't disagree with a lot of the stuff here. Hey, I believe in EV (just a matter of when), solar (just a matter of where and how much), and self driving (just a matter of when and whether the road will evolve before the car or the car will evolve before the road).

I think the problem with some of the stuff shown here, is that they are interesting but not marketable as it is today. It may become valuable one day, like digital signal processing eventually did because of process node improvement.

Regarding to energy, if the patent office says perpetual energy machine is not patentable for obvious reason, I'd say they are right. If you can do free gravity manipulation you will get free energy, and to avoid violating this law of physics you have to insert / remove energy to manipulate gravity, and we have already done that.

I think I started my semiconductor work back when it was 130nm? and I think I had a few products still running in the fab today (or maybe obsoleted already, I don't know), and the thing about semiconductor is you never heard of the companies who died or got absorbed because of failure. It doesn't means nothing can be done, just whether they are ready today or not, and whether there are better solution already somewhere else.

Regarding to energy, I do believe EV is actually the solution of unstable solar and wind, you just have to be able to detach the battery from the car and charge the battery only when it is cheap, and have some spare lying around the house, or gas station, or office. That's the "go big" thinking I've been telling you guys.

If you have N+2 battery and the car need N, and you keep 2 to charge when it is cheap. You can rent them on road trip, bring them for camping, charge them when you are driving, charge more when there's free energy (because of duck curve, or on a windy day), etc. See, that's go big, but we are probably not ready yet (only NIO is really doing it).

You know what else? Poor people can afford EV, being cheaper than a gas car, if you can just swap battery, lease them, or use a bunch of older battery for long commute. Yes it is a workout and you lose some trunk space but you get a cheap commute.

 

[Wolf359]

Every pilot knows how to manage gravity! Einstein's equivalence principal states there is no difference between being subject to gravity and accelerating in a vehicle that's free of gravitational pull. We can experience no gravity or many times the force of gravity. We can and do control it, despite claims to the contrary.

But I get your point, we can't produce a magic device that simply eliminates gravity around a specific object, and makes (for example) an anvil float up from the ground. Sadly, it does not matter as much as people think, as it still takes energy to accelerate a mass, like a car on tires for example.

So, we know how to use inertia to create and negate gravity.

From a physics standpoint, we haven't really found a graviton particle. There's no graviton particle and an antigravity device assumes there's a negative gravity particle out there when we haven't even found a gravity particle. On the other hand, the standard model did end up predicting things like antimatter even though it hadn't been discovered yet just like the Higgs Boson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model

You will probably have fusion power way before there's any kind of antigravity stuff and if there's no such thing as negative gravity, then there will never be antigravity.