that are commonly for sale, that shows which oils are in which group. I searched, can not find a listing?
are most oils are in group II? Some in Group III??
are most oils are in group II? Some in Group III??
where is a list of oils
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How do you define "most?"
Most on what shelf? In what country? In what state or region? In what store?
Most of the oils that I buy are GPIII with some GPIV thrown in or "GPIII+" GTL.
Most on what shelf? In what country? In what state or region? In what store?
Most of the oils that I buy are GPIII with some GPIV thrown in or "GPIII+" GTL.
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Since no one of the industry (many here are) wants to participate in this thread, I'm guessing Oil companies aren't required to divulge percent-content of group blends. I do agree it would be nice to see a 'Sticky' here at BITOG, that identifies which brand and weight are in which group.
If-only we could get Mobil-Exxon, Castrol, Valvoline, SOPUS, Conoco....etc....etc, to cooperate with groupings and percentages of group blends in numbers. We can't even get Regulators to force Oil Companies to divulge synthetic blend percentages on the oil jug product label.
If-only we could get Mobil-Exxon, Castrol, Valvoline, SOPUS, Conoco....etc....etc, to cooperate with groupings and percentages of group blends in numbers. We can't even get Regulators to force Oil Companies to divulge synthetic blend percentages on the oil jug product label.
Group doesn’t matter anymore. Move on.
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Originally Posted By: LotI
Group doesn’t matter anymore. Move on.
Doesn't matter to you. But it does matter to many here that do, or desire long OCIs. It matters to those that run conventional too. Group category is important to geeks here.
If the product label can say SN and Dexos, why can't it also say GpII/III or GpIII/IV) (for example)?
Group doesn’t matter anymore. Move on.
Doesn't matter to you. But it does matter to many here that do, or desire long OCIs. It matters to those that run conventional too. Group category is important to geeks here.
If the product label can say SN and Dexos, why can't it also say GpII/III or GpIII/IV) (for example)?
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Cool resource to identify base oil group / type
It has a pretty extensive list, however I can say with complete confidence that the determinations are not totally accurate.
Cool resource to identify base oil group / type
It has a pretty extensive list, however I can say with complete confidence that the determinations are not totally accurate.
Originally Posted By: LotI
Group doesn’t matter anymore. Move on.
^^^ Couldn't agree more...
Group doesn’t matter anymore. Move on.
^^^ Couldn't agree more...
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Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Since no one of the industry (many here are) wants to participate in this thread, I'm guessing Oil companies aren't required to divulge percent-content of group blends. I do agree it would be nice to see a 'Sticky' here at BITOG, that identifies which brand and weight are in which group.
If-only we could get Mobil-Exxon, Castrol, Valvoline, SOPUS, Conoco....etc....etc, to cooperate with groupings and percentages of group blends in numbers. We can't even get Regulators to force Oil Companies to divulge synthetic blend percentages on the oil jug product label.
Doubt the effort would go well … marketing would muck it up …base stock is a very dynamic business … formulation gurus have OEM latitude … and high end companies like Amsoil rely on others to get higher Group IV etc … so why encourage “waste” of those fluids or create obstacles the vast majority of motor oil consumers could give a rat tail about …
… pay for it if you want to, but don’t impact my cost … this would not keep costs in check …
I’d be happier if they regulate fake olive oil imports to the USA … that goes in your body … double standard that California has to produce a real product that can’t compete unless the consumer knows the truth …
Since no one of the industry (many here are) wants to participate in this thread, I'm guessing Oil companies aren't required to divulge percent-content of group blends. I do agree it would be nice to see a 'Sticky' here at BITOG, that identifies which brand and weight are in which group.
If-only we could get Mobil-Exxon, Castrol, Valvoline, SOPUS, Conoco....etc....etc, to cooperate with groupings and percentages of group blends in numbers. We can't even get Regulators to force Oil Companies to divulge synthetic blend percentages on the oil jug product label.
Doubt the effort would go well … marketing would muck it up …base stock is a very dynamic business … formulation gurus have OEM latitude … and high end companies like Amsoil rely on others to get higher Group IV etc … so why encourage “waste” of those fluids or create obstacles the vast majority of motor oil consumers could give a rat tail about …
… pay for it if you want to, but don’t impact my cost … this would not keep costs in check …
I’d be happier if they regulate fake olive oil imports to the USA … that goes in your body … double standard that California has to produce a real product that can’t compete unless the consumer knows the truth …
Why would companies want to make that proprietary information available? All the geeks on this board would gravitate towards the oils with the highest PAO/Ester content, regardless of actual performance in your engine of said oil.
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Originally Posted By: OilUzer
How about a group hug!
Sure, I’d like a Group III hug … it is really a bargain despite all the chatter about it …
How about a group hug!
Sure, I’d like a Group III hug … it is really a bargain despite all the chatter about it …
I withdraw the question.
I was mislead by postings that say-- I only use group (fill in your fav group) by oil Nazis on the forum
I was mislead by postings that say-- I only use group (fill in your fav group) by oil Nazis on the forum
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Originally Posted By: edwardh1
I withdraw the question.
I was mislead by postings that say-- I only use group (fill in your fav group) by oil Nazis on the forum
You cannot withdrawl! You can only advance, or hide under your bed.
I withdraw the question.
I was mislead by postings that say-- I only use group (fill in your fav group) by oil Nazis on the forum
You cannot withdrawl! You can only advance, or hide under your bed.
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Originally Posted By: LotI
Group doesn’t matter anymore. Move on.
Doesn't matter to you. But it does matter to many here that do, or desire long OCIs. It matters to those that run conventional too. Group category is important to geeks here.
It matters to those who don't understand that group category isn't all that important. What is more important are the actual mfg and industry specs that define baseline of performance. If you want to do a long OCI, look for an oil that meets mfg long life spec such as MB 229.5 or BMW LL-01. Just because an oil is primarily made of group IV or V does not automatically guarantee that it is well suited for a long OCI if it has a weak add pack, for example.
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If the product label can say SN and Dexos, why can't it also say GpII/III or GpIII/IV) (for example)?
SN and Dexos are industry and mfg performance specs. Group is not.
Originally Posted By: LotI
Group doesn’t matter anymore. Move on.
Doesn't matter to you. But it does matter to many here that do, or desire long OCIs. It matters to those that run conventional too. Group category is important to geeks here.
It matters to those who don't understand that group category isn't all that important. What is more important are the actual mfg and industry specs that define baseline of performance. If you want to do a long OCI, look for an oil that meets mfg long life spec such as MB 229.5 or BMW LL-01. Just because an oil is primarily made of group IV or V does not automatically guarantee that it is well suited for a long OCI if it has a weak add pack, for example.
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If the product label can say SN and Dexos, why can't it also say GpII/III or GpIII/IV) (for example)?
SN and Dexos are industry and mfg performance specs. Group is not.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
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If the product label can say SN and Dexos, why can't it also say GpII/III or GpIII/IV) (for example)?
SN and Dexos are industry and mfg performance specs. Group is not.
Plus even worse it's not intended for classifying the finished product. API 1509 Appendix E states that in the title.
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If the product label can say SN and Dexos, why can't it also say GpII/III or GpIII/IV) (for example)?
SN and Dexos are industry and mfg performance specs. Group is not.
Plus even worse it's not intended for classifying the finished product. API 1509 Appendix E states that in the title.
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I think oil companies should definitely tell what group base stock they use,as people who are spending their money buying their products should know what they’re buying. All “proprietary” means to me is that they have something to hide. RP used to come right out and say they use group IV base stocks. MJ from Exxon Mobil had told me years ago that M1 15W50 was a group IV/V base stock oil. Whether it still is,I’d guess no,since M1 went to group III Visom base stocks.
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Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
I think oil companies should definitely tell what group base stock they use,as people who are spending their money buying their products should know what they’re buying. All “proprietary” means to me is that they have something to hide. RP used to come right out and say they use group IV base stocks. MJ from Exxon Mobil had told me years ago that M1 15W50 was a group IV/V base stock oil. Whether it still is,I’d guess no,since M1 went to group III Visom base stocks.
Hide from who? A bunch of people who think they know a business they don’t ?
I think oil companies should definitely tell what group base stock they use,as people who are spending their money buying their products should know what they’re buying. All “proprietary” means to me is that they have something to hide. RP used to come right out and say they use group IV base stocks. MJ from Exxon Mobil had told me years ago that M1 15W50 was a group IV/V base stock oil. Whether it still is,I’d guess no,since M1 went to group III Visom base stocks.
Hide from who? A bunch of people who think they know a business they don’t ?
Originally Posted By: edwardh1
that are commonly for sale, that shows which oils are in which group. I searched, can not find a listing?
are most oils are in group II? Some in Group III??
Yes, there is a list:
List of oils by the base-oil-quality index (BOQI)
that are commonly for sale, that shows which oils are in which group. I searched, can not find a listing?
are most oils are in group II? Some in Group III??
Yes, there is a list:
List of oils by the base-oil-quality index (BOQI)
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