Where do I research Riding Mowers/ Lawn Tractors?

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Originally Posted By: FNFAL308
With my Flame suit on I'LL say I wouldn't take most of the Garden Tractors mentioned ifya gave them to me for FREE...

Having worked on most brands they all have ONE thing in common. That thing is "PRICE POINT", many homeowners refuse to buy quality lawn equipment and base their decision almost solely on COST and "IF" they can buy it with their BOX STORE Credit Card. $1500.00 is the HIGH end of what many homeowners will cough up and it's no accident that these mowers don't cost more then that..

Since the retailer and manufacturers BOTH have to make a profit the components selected for each unit generally are of poor quality. THIN decks, NON greasable Spindles, bushed (instead of bearing) front wheels, lightweight front ends, and Variable speed trans drive systems are all cheap to make and don't last. The only saving grace for many is they simply don't get used much in places where there is winter. Here in Florida we mow year round and have grass that's MUCH diff then most other states.
Bahia Grass is grown in sandy soil and the sand destroys the deck from the inside out. Flora-tam is a very thick wide bladed grass and quickly weeds out the low powered units as they will cry uncle in no time in a well manicured lush lawn.

Most of these mowers have pathetic blade engage systems, and deck pulleys, as well as cheap steering gears. In the summer when we really have grass growth I replace spindles, decks, steering gears, and other failed components regularly. Many are made by the same company as mentioned but my list of turds is a long one. Murray, Cub, Troy Built, MTD, Scotts, Craftsman, and others will never see the inside of my garage.

Using the Op's requirements I would recommend a SNAPPER Rear engine rider.. These things are solid performers and have a drive system that's pretty much gone unchanged for the better part of 50 years. With a number of grease points (including the spindle and ft wheels) maintenance is a breeze and one can expect a very long service life.

Stretch the cuting area, run time, or annual hour usage and it's time for a ZTR. Having worked on pretty much every brand out there I like HUSTLER, EX-MARK, WRIGHT, SCAG (some modles),LESCO, Ferris and a couple others.. Ones I would NEVER own are DIXIE Choppers, OLDER Scag's,TORO (even though they own EXMARK), Grasshopper (cut good but te sux to work on), BADBOY, OLD Snapper ZTRs and I also hate J/D..
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Yeah, a rear engine Snapper is a great mower...if you only want a 28" to 33" deck.

The run of the mill big box store mower is junk when compared to a $10,000+ mower, but not everybody has the means or interest in spending that much. It makes sense if you're going to make a living with it, but a light weekend user doesn't have to step up to a high dollar, high quality mower unless they want to.

As I said before, I definitely do not recommend anything Husqvarna-made due to all sorts of quality and parts availability issues, but for light use there's nothing wrong with an MTD if that's what you can afford. For the most part, they hold up reasonably well if they are not abused. Someone who just mows their yard once every week or two during the season, does maintenance every year or so, and doesn't hit every stump or rock they can with the deck can probably get 10 years or more out of an MTD.
 
Originally Posted By: D189379
Any heard of Turf Trac? I found an okay deal on one, but I cant dig up much info on it. It has a 16hp B&G and a 42" deck. I'm concerned I might have trouble getting parts.


MTD made those, and still has parts diagrams available. It looks like a lot of the parts are still available or have a replacement available. You should be able to get B&S parts no problem. MTD only shows parts for 1988 and 1989 models...I don't know if that's the only years they were made, but that's pretty old for an MTD.
 
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Originally Posted By: FNFAL308
With my Flame suit on I'LL say I wouldn't take most of the Garden Tractors mentioned ifya gave them to me for FREE...

Having worked on most brands they all have ONE thing in common. That thing is "PRICE POINT", many homeowners refuse to buy quality lawn equipment and base their decision almost solely on COST and "IF" they can buy it with their BOX STORE Credit Card. $1500.00 is the HIGH end of what many homeowners will cough up and it's no accident that these mowers don't cost more then that..

Since the retailer and manufacturers BOTH have to make a profit the components selected for each unit generally are of poor quality. THIN decks, NON greasable Spindles, bushed (instead of bearing) front wheels, lightweight front ends, and Variable speed trans drive systems are all cheap to make and don't last. The only saving grace for many is they simply don't get used much in places where there is winter. Here in Florida we mow year round and have grass that's MUCH diff then most other states.
Bahia Grass is grown in sandy soil and the sand destroys the deck from the inside out. Flora-tam is a very thick wide bladed grass and quickly weeds out the low powered units as they will cry uncle in no time in a well manicured lush lawn.

Most of these mowers have pathetic blade engage systems, and deck pulleys, as well as cheap steering gears. In the summer when we really have grass growth I replace spindles, decks, steering gears, and other failed components regularly. Many are made by the same company as mentioned but my list of turds is a long one. Murray, Cub, Troy Built, MTD, Scotts, Craftsman, and others will never see the inside of my garage.

Using the Op's requirements I would recommend a SNAPPER Rear engine rider.. These things are solid performers and have a drive system that's pretty much gone unchanged for the better part of 50 years. With a number of grease points (including the spindle and ft wheels) maintenance is a breeze and one can expect a very long service life.

Stretch the cuting area, run time, or annual hour usage and it's time for a ZTR. Having worked on pretty much every brand out there I like HUSTLER, EX-MARK, WRIGHT, SCAG (some modles),LESCO, Ferris and a couple others.. Ones I would NEVER own are DIXIE Choppers, OLDER Scag's,TORO (even though they own EXMARK), Grasshopper (cut good but te sux to work on), BADBOY, OLD Snapper ZTRs and I also hate J/D..
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Yeah, a rear engine Snapper is a great mower...if you only want a 28" to 33" deck.

The run of the mill big box store mower is junk when compared to a $10,000+ mower, but not everybody has the means or interest in spending that much. It makes sense if you're going to make a living with it, but a light weekend user doesn't have to step up to a high dollar, high quality mower unless they want to.

As I said before, I definitely do not recommend anything Husqvarna-made due to all sorts of quality and parts availability issues, but for light use there's nothing wrong with an MTD if that's what you can afford. For the most part, they hold up reasonably well if they are not abused. Someone who just mows their yard once every week or two during the season, does maintenance every year or so, and doesn't hit every stump or rock they can with the deck can probably get 10 years or more out of an MTD.


Yup, those little Snappers are excellent units but your right if you need/want a bigger deck your kinda SOL.
If one can live with a 33" deck however I think these units are about the best value out there..

I understand that price is important and I hope my comments weren't taken as a personal bash.. Having worked on so many units I have insight many won't ever understand.. It's really tough for me to recommend a unit that's simply inferior in so many ways. From my perspective spending good $$ on anything cheaply made just goes against my beliefs.. I've seen it a 1000 times though and people will continue to buy those $99.00 string trimmers, $119.00 Push mowers, & $900.00 Garden Tractors thinking they actually bought something good....

Regular maintainance and careful use are key to making these inexpensive Tractors last.. Seasonal use also helps a LOT as it takes a few years to actually accumulate very many hours on the unit..

Keep them clean, well serviced, and buy 2-3 sets of blades so you ALWAYS have sharp blades on hand. Also be VERY carfeul when changing blades, many of these units have spindle shafts that require careful blade placement.. Mess up once and you will be buying a spindle..
 
I'm glad to see Snapper's RER are getting good comments by you guys. My parents picked up a Snapper made Craftsman RER a few months ago. It looks to be a quality product.
 
Originally Posted By: FNFAL308
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Originally Posted By: FNFAL308
With my Flame suit on I'LL say I wouldn't take most of the Garden Tractors mentioned ifya gave them to me for FREE...

Having worked on most brands they all have ONE thing in common. That thing is "PRICE POINT", many homeowners refuse to buy quality lawn equipment and base their decision almost solely on COST and "IF" they can buy it with their BOX STORE Credit Card. $1500.00 is the HIGH end of what many homeowners will cough up and it's no accident that these mowers don't cost more then that..

Since the retailer and manufacturers BOTH have to make a profit the components selected for each unit generally are of poor quality. THIN decks, NON greasable Spindles, bushed (instead of bearing) front wheels, lightweight front ends, and Variable speed trans drive systems are all cheap to make and don't last. The only saving grace for many is they simply don't get used much in places where there is winter. Here in Florida we mow year round and have grass that's MUCH diff then most other states.
Bahia Grass is grown in sandy soil and the sand destroys the deck from the inside out. Flora-tam is a very thick wide bladed grass and quickly weeds out the low powered units as they will cry uncle in no time in a well manicured lush lawn.

Most of these mowers have pathetic blade engage systems, and deck pulleys, as well as cheap steering gears. In the summer when we really have grass growth I replace spindles, decks, steering gears, and other failed components regularly. Many are made by the same company as mentioned but my list of turds is a long one. Murray, Cub, Troy Built, MTD, Scotts, Craftsman, and others will never see the inside of my garage.

Using the Op's requirements I would recommend a SNAPPER Rear engine rider.. These things are solid performers and have a drive system that's pretty much gone unchanged for the better part of 50 years. With a number of grease points (including the spindle and ft wheels) maintenance is a breeze and one can expect a very long service life.

Stretch the cuting area, run time, or annual hour usage and it's time for a ZTR. Having worked on pretty much every brand out there I like HUSTLER, EX-MARK, WRIGHT, SCAG (some modles),LESCO, Ferris and a couple others.. Ones I would NEVER own are DIXIE Choppers, OLDER Scag's,TORO (even though they own EXMARK), Grasshopper (cut good but te sux to work on), BADBOY, OLD Snapper ZTRs and I also hate J/D..
grin.gif



Yeah, a rear engine Snapper is a great mower...if you only want a 28" to 33" deck.

The run of the mill big box store mower is junk when compared to a $10,000+ mower, but not everybody has the means or interest in spending that much. It makes sense if you're going to make a living with it, but a light weekend user doesn't have to step up to a high dollar, high quality mower unless they want to.

As I said before, I definitely do not recommend anything Husqvarna-made due to all sorts of quality and parts availability issues, but for light use there's nothing wrong with an MTD if that's what you can afford. For the most part, they hold up reasonably well if they are not abused. Someone who just mows their yard once every week or two during the season, does maintenance every year or so, and doesn't hit every stump or rock they can with the deck can probably get 10 years or more out of an MTD.


Yup, those little Snappers are excellent units but your right if you need/want a bigger deck your kinda SOL.
If one can live with a 33" deck however I think these units are about the best value out there..

I understand that price is important and I hope my comments weren't taken as a personal bash.. Having worked on so many units I have insight many won't ever understand.. It's really tough for me to recommend a unit that's simply inferior in so many ways. From my perspective spending good $$ on anything cheaply made just goes against my beliefs.. I've seen it a 1000 times though and people will continue to buy those $99.00 string trimmers, $119.00 Push mowers, & $900.00 Garden Tractors thinking they actually bought something good....

Regular maintainance and careful use are key to making these inexpensive Tractors last.. Seasonal use also helps a LOT as it takes a few years to actually accumulate very many hours on the unit..

Keep them clean, well serviced, and buy 2-3 sets of blades so you ALWAYS have sharp blades on hand. Also be VERY carfeul when changing blades, many of these units have spindle shafts that require careful blade placement.. Mess up once and you will be buying a spindle..

No offense taken at all...you are right. I work in the industry too and the cheap stuff is what pays the bills. There's a huge difference in quality between the run of the mill cheapies and a nice commercial grade unit, but if $1000 give or take is the budget, it often comes down to which is least bad.

One of the biggest faults with many cheap mowers these days is that they can't live up to the name they carry. Cub Cadets sell because of a reputation that was built 30-50 years ago, that the current products just can't live up to.
 
The Snappers are good mowers and pretty easy to work on. I think they went down hill when they moved all the driver's weight over the front wheels. This prevented wheelies but also killed traction. It also made it hard to steer since too much weight was over the front wheels. The Snapper decks were pretty thin as well. I mowed grass in FL with them and the sand will eat just about anything including blades and decks.

Perry
 
i cant give to much advice, my only experience is of a 1975 case 446. iam sure there are lots of good mowers. i would advise against that model for only ONE reason. the leaver that controls fwd-rev is rather jerky. other wise its a great machine. on the mower/tractor thing, back in the dark ages 70s a tractor is ground engaging ie plow, a mower only cuts grass. however some of the cats on this site say iam wrong, iam good with that. but how do you know what your talking about? same thing with what is a motor, engine? i know every one has there idea. but i KNOW what i was thought, and that is what ill go by. so dont flame me, i WONT read it.
 
Originally Posted By: morris
i cant give to much advice, my only experience is of a 1975 case 446. iam sure there are lots of good mowers. i would advise against that model for only ONE reason. the leaver that controls fwd-rev is rather jerky. other wise its a great machine...


Amen to that. True blue Case/Ingy die-hards will tell you, you can rectify this by adjusting/replacing worn travel control linkage parts, but I was never able to smooth out mine.

It's also a ridiculous setup when trying to work a snow-caster or plow blade. You need 3 hands.

I've run the entire gamut now; Between the knees gear shift, fender gear shift, dash control 'hydro', foot pedal hydro and lap-bar ZTR, my favorite is a conventional lawn/garden tractor with foot pedal hydro.

Joel

I hated that so much on my 220 I sold it after ~2yrs of ownership.
 
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