When to use an oil additive.

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Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: electrolover
Originally Posted By: Trajan
What problem you think you have requires an OTC additive?

What do you think the people and companies who formulate oil missed that makes you go to an OTC oil additive?

What will said additive do to the add pack?

I stopped using them as I can't answer those questions.

And as a kreen pusher said about oil adds, and I'll paraphrase, "Leave them on the shelf. At the end of the day you're trying to turn a dog into a fox."



I use two additives. Kreen and MMO (IN OIL) to clean when needed. Sometimes oil is not enough to fix years of neglect. As far as the others like moly adds and such, I just buy a good oil and trust its protecting my engine.
If you dig the other adds more power to ya, but I think a good oil is good enough for wear protection......but if its an oil burner on its last leg I will lucas tha sucker in a heartbeat!!
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If I want oil adds, I'll use oil. It already has them.

Used to use that stuff in oil. Been two years since I went oil additive free. Posted an anecdote where I said that mmo silences a noisy lifter. And the mmo zealots instntly praised it without question. It didn't stay that way, but arx fixed it. A barrage of silence from the mmo mafia followed.

Use what you will, don't really care. But no one has yet taken up the challenge to prove to me that they work.

Certainly my 20 year old Buick LeSabre did fine without it. So did my 20 year old Nova.

What no link like i asked?
You talk the game but take every opportunity to push one of the biggest snake oils of all time every chance you get, you couldn't resist even in this post.
You constantly tell how your car got better MPG at idle with it using the onboard MPG monitor.
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You have been one of the biggest supporters of snake oil (ARX) on BITOG! What a hypocrite.
Originally Posted By: trajan
I've used MMO, and never had a problem with it. If MMO makes one happy, great. If it's arx that does, great. Seafoam, B-12, whatever

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...535#Post1464535
Originally Posted By: trajan
My V6 Camaro (3.8) would ping on leaving a light/stop sign. Techron, Seafoam, Regane didn't stop it. But MMO does. It also seems quieter.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...0282#Post290282

Point made nuff said.
 
Dang, before Trajan became such a big Auto-RX supporter, he actually said good things about MMO. He had tried MMO himself. Now all he says is bad things about MMO.

I try to be consistent in my posts. I was a big supporter of Auto-RX in the past because it seemed to stop a seal leak. And I will still say that-it seemed to stop a seal leak. Now there are a few reasons I moved away from Auto-RX. But mainly I have never seen any real proof that it cleans up the insides of engines.

There have been times when people were supposed to supply that proof that Auto-RX works. The proof never seemed to come. I got tired of waiting for it.
 
Originally Posted By: skyship
Originally Posted By: FoxS
In what scenarios are these idle only flushes recommended.

And why are they apparently in widespread use by garages in Germany? I rarely see them in the US.


As far as I am aware none of the main dealers can use an idle flush because their use is not recommended by any manufacturer. The folks using idle flushes are independent garages and some Iffy lube chains.
If you take a vehicle with a sludged engine to a good garage or Iffy lube they should try and talk you into have the engine cleaned properly, but if you refuse some of them will try a short cut and use an idle flush after cleaning the sump and checking the oil pump screen filter. The independents can do pretty much what they like, but the Iffy lube chains are supposed to follow set procedures for different engine faults, although they don't always do that and I reported one place a few months ago for working on a petrol fuel tank within the main part of the garage, which is a serious breach of the terms of their insurance policy.
I did get an Iffy lube place to use an idle flush in my Volvo, although it turned out to be clean. Some classic car places use an idle only flush every OCI as a precaution with some known sludgers.


More talk from sunkship. Yet no proof. Seems like he knows protocol at so called "iffy lubes".
No credibility,self proclaimed expert. I'm sticking to the truck driver that picks up the used oil from all these shops,since he seems to be in them so frequently.
When to use an oil additive?
Depends on what's wrong. Some have good luck with solvent flushes for cleaning,others use an ester based oil like red line and cleaning is alright.
"Supermarket" oils seem to do just fine in dnewtons van,at a 10000 mile interval as his uoa proves.
Some,like myself have had great luck with MOS2 for an increase in mileage and liqui-moly's motor oil saver stopped an antifreeze ingestion issue I was having.
So looks like additives are fine,when there is a reason to use them.
And sunkship again proves his opinion is meaningless
 
I suppose one way to tell if somebody is being honest is to check and see if their stories stay consistent over time. Now of course people age and their memory may not be as good as in the past and stories can change some over time.

But if somebody completely switches their story that is different. If 10 years ago I said that Brand A was great and Brand B was junk, and now 10 years later I say Brand A is junk and Brand B is great, there is something wrong with that story. Or else I have a really bad memory.
 
Skyship sure had a lot of problems running down that runaway turbo car. Especially considering he is an investigator for insurance and warranty claims. Everybody is still waiting for that next part of the movie series to come out.

Skyship did they ever find anything out about that? Did the driver live or die? Did they ever find out what garage put the awful engine cleaner in? Did they ever find out what the engine cleaner was?
 
In the closet I have my meds with the car's meds. I get a cough, take cough medicine. Car gets a cough it gets techron concentrate plus. For achy joints I take ibuprofen. Car picks up a tick its Kreen or MMO with wintergreen. For a fever I take sudafed. Engine runs hot its RMI-25.
 
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
In the closet I have my meds with the car's meds. I get a cough, take cough medicine. Car gets a cough it gets techron concentrate plus. For achy joints I take ibuprofen. Car picks up a tick its Kreen or MMO with wintergreen. For a fever I take sudafed. Engine runs hot its RMI-25.


Sounds like the dream customer for a snake oil company. The chaps they like the most put a few cans of thickner in, plus some Moly because they read about it once, then when they find the engine sludged as a result they use some Moo oil to clean it out, but then the Moo oil starts an oil leak, so in goes some stop leak. Unfortuntely the stop leak starts the sludging again and it's back to square one.
I think I'll stick to an oil that matches my engines condition and use BP (Aral) fuel.
 
Nah, no thickeners, no moly. Its in my oil. Over here we think BP and its ownership are the ultimate snake oil salesmen (selling lies) so I guess its even.
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Originally Posted By: skyship
think I'll stick to an oil that matches my engines condition and use BP (Aral) fuel.

Notice BP and Aral stations in Southern Germany where you claim to operate are getting fewer and fewer?
Know why?
 
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: skyship
think I'll stick to an oil that matches my engines condition and use BP (Aral) fuel.

Notice BP and Aral stations in Southern Germany where you claim to operate are getting fewer and fewer?
Know why?


BP are the major stock holder in Aral and they are about the most common station around.
 
Originally Posted By: skyship
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: skyship
think I'll stick to an oil that matches my engines condition and use BP (Aral) fuel.

Notice BP and Aral stations in Southern Germany where you claim to operate are getting fewer and fewer?
Know why?


BP are the major stock holder in Aral and they are about the most common station around.

Strange you didn't notice a distinct reduction in Aral stations especially since OMV took over 247 of them and BP.
Lots of Aral stations changed to OMV in Southern Germany.

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/omv-kauft-247-deutsche-tankstellen-40285.html
 
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Skyship sure had a lot of problems running down that runaway turbo car. Especially considering he is an investigator for insurance and warranty claims. Everybody is still waiting for that next part of the movie series to come out.

Skyship did they ever find anything out about that? Did the driver live or die? Did they ever find out what garage put the awful engine cleaner in? Did they ever find out what the engine cleaner was?


Hehehe
I think at first he claimed it was liqui-moly,but later that story changed. I put him on ignore shortly after that since he has no credibility therefore his posts are minutes of my life I won't get back. I do toggle on his posts at times just to read the latest lie,or half truth,just so I'm up to date.
I don't know why he is still here to be honest. Obviously not here to learn anything and no one puts any stock in his advice,he still wastes his time posting though. Some guys need more than subtle hints I guess?
 
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: skyship
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: skyship
think I'll stick to an oil that matches my engines condition and use BP (Aral) fuel.

Notice BP and Aral stations in Southern Germany where you claim to operate are getting fewer and fewer?
Know why?


BP are the major stock holder in Aral and they are about the most common station around.

Strange you didn't notice a distinct reduction in Aral stations especially since OMV took over 247 of them and BP.
Lots of Aral stations changed to OMV in Southern Germany.

http://www.autobild.de/artikel/omv-kauft-247-deutsche-tankstellen-40285.html


Not seen any of the Aral stations change signs in my area and I'm only interested in the fuel quality, not who owns the shops as their fuel has some better additives and a minus 26C rating etc. Shell are good as well.
 
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Forgot to say that OMC are good and also have the same additives as the BP fuel as far as I can tell. The fuel to avoid is French refined or in the case of the UK, some of the supermarket stations. Their diesel is only good for minus 15C.
 
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Skyship sure had a lot of problems running down that runaway turbo car. Especially considering he is an investigator for insurance and warranty claims. Everybody is still waiting for that next part of the movie series to come out.

Skyship did they ever find anything out about that? Did the driver live or die? Did they ever find out what garage put the awful engine cleaner in? Did they ever find out what the engine cleaner was?


Hehehe
I think at first he claimed it was liqui-moly,but later that story changed. I put him on ignore shortly after that since he has no credibility therefore his posts are minutes of my life I won't get back. I do toggle on his posts at times just to read the latest lie,or half truth,just so I'm up to date.
I don't know why he is still here to be honest. Obviously not here to learn anything and no one puts any stock in his advice,he still wastes his time posting though. Some guys need more than subtle hints I guess?


Sometimes my head feels like its spinning when I read his posts.
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