When does everyone add top-off oil?

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Just purchased a 2008 Impala with the 3.5L V-6 with 15K on it. It has the OLM system and unknown oil in it right now.

Got me thinking about oil choices for it as well as wanting to do some long-term testing complete with UOA's with various OLM percent oil life as a standard. Might try Havoline 5w-30 (9.7 hot viscosity), PennzoilYB 5w-30, then PP 5w-30 and finally Amsoil SSO 5w-30. Note: GM has not yet back-spec'd these engines for 5w-20 oils (maybe waiting for GF-5). If and when they do I will definitely try the PennzoilYB/PP 5w-20 as well as Amsoil ASM oil.

Then I thought about different viewpoints on when to add any top-off oil. I always have keep it on the full mark, figuring maximum oil volume reduces TBN depletion. I mean I usually don't let it drop down more than 1/4 or 1/2 at the very most to the add line before adding oil.

Others here let it go all the way to the add line, with others adding at some point between the two extremes. And there's been some discussion here on if you add oil late in the change cycle it can skew the UOA results. I guess I'm wondering if the preferred method is to let it drop to the add line, refill to the full, repeating the process as needed?

I figured that if I consistently keep it at a specific level, whether that be full on the stick, or 1/4 down throughout the life of the oil, then good or bad, I can still rely on the TBN from a UOA as an accurate representation of the oil status.

I know highly respected individuals here, such as Doug Hillary, have stated that once they have the engine oil consumption pattern figured out, that they let the oil level drift down (always keeping above the add line) as the end of the oil cycle/UOA approaches.

And does running the oil level at the full line increase consumption/deposits, whether it be piston top or intake valve face as I read somewhere? I figured running at the full line protected against oil sludging/breakdown a little better.

Sorry about this long-winded post. I appreciate any insight.

Thanks,
Gary
 
when necessary, I try to do it at the halfway mark. Too many variables to bee extremely exact on the upper quarter to half of the stick.
 
We have an 07 Impala with the LZ4 motor as well and it hasn't needed to be topped off. Granted, we've only had it for about 6,000 miles, but in the 1 oil change interval I've done on it, it went about 5,000 miles/20% on the OLM when I changed it and it was still on the full mark.
 
Here's what I would do. Change the oil out now to oem spec PP. Forget the testing and save that money. Change the PP out every 5k/6mos. It's hot out there and I would top it to the full line as often as I could tell it drooped at all.
 
I haven't had a car that burned oil and needed oil added since my '87 Escort. Mine stay at full or almost full. I'd probably try and keep it above the 1/2 point of the full and add marks.
 
I'd also top-off at the half-way point, UNLESS I was withing about about two weeks or 1k miles from an oil change, then I wouldn't 'waste' the oil....
 
FZ1, I like your style! I think I will switch to PP 5w-30 as soon as I can. I would like to use the OLM and let it run down to carquest/wix filter in the standard size.

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Gary
 
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addyguy,

I'm thinking I would let it drift down towards the half at the end, if oil consumption was low. If not I would use the FZ1 method of keeping it full throughout the oil cycle life then time it to let it drift down at the end to save oil as you smartly realize.

Lots of good stuff here. Now I need to go buy some PP & a filter.

Thanks,
Gary
 
The smart thing to do would be to keep it at the full mark.

But alas....I wait until it gets a qt low.
 
FZ1

A little more elaboration on my desire to use the OLM system to its fullest capabilities. I've read that GM calibrated its OLM system to have 1/2 the ZDDP left when the OLM reaches 0% using GF-4 Mobil Drive Clean (aka Mr. Goodwrench oil).

I would hope that Havoline, PennzoilYB and Mobil 5000 all are equal or better than this standard reference oil, not even considering PP. I mean if the warranty wasn't an issue, I would compare PP 5w-30 vs. Amsoil SSO 5w-30 at longer OCI's by resetting the system at 0% and carrying the test further. But since I do care about maintaining the warranty I don't think SSO is cost-effective over the PP at the expected 7-8K mile OCI that I think the OLM is going to give me.

I have to admit, as a BITOG'er, I like the idea of the OLM. It's just one more excuse for me to tinker with something!

Thanks,
Gary
 
Should slack off on top ups near the end of the OCI so so the oil level is near the bottom of the safe zone by the time you have to drain it. Or at least don't have it right to the top (or higher) of the safe zone at oil change time.
 
Of my 3 vehicles one uses oil, that one has a 4.5 qt capacity, so I add 5 qts of oil when I change it. When its in the middle of the cross marks between add and full I top it off to the full line. When I drain the oil its usually right at the full mark.

Frank D
 
Unless the car was leaking oil, I've never "topped it off". The oil stays at the same almost exactly the same level from fill to drain. I usually check once a month or so. The whole "topping off" thing confuses me.
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When I had my Grand Am, I think it used the quart every 1000 miles GM said was OK. I usually dumped in what I thought would fill it whenever I remember to check. I traded it on a new Cavalier in 02. I don't know that either it or my 77 LUV ever was low when it checked since I bought them new. Both have about 140K now. I must admit I am not as careful about checking as I should be.
 
Originally Posted By: SevenBizzos
Unless the car was leaking oil, I've never "topped it off". The oil stays at the same almost exactly the same level from fill to drain. I usually check once a month or so. The whole "topping off" thing confuses me.
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It shouldn't confuse you: Folks who have a vehicle that uses oil (my Aerostar uses a quart every 1300 miles, while my F150 never needs to be topped off) have to top off. It does appear that topping off is foreign to you though.
 
My personal vehicles don't use oil. But you could care less.

I couldn't let it go more than 1/2 qt low. Mfrs almost always say it's perfectly fine to go 1 qt low before adding any, however.
 
1/2q topping makes sense and is ideal. I try to use a predictive method with the tripometer. At XXX miles, it needs to get checked/topped.
 
Usually, when it reaches the add mark. In a vehicle known to use oil, I might top off just before a trip. Most of the engines I've owned in the past that use oil, will use the first half quart much faster than the second.
 
Usually, when it reaches the add mark. In a vehicle known to use oil, I might top off just before a trip. Most of the engines I've owned in the past that use oil, will use the first half quart much faster than the second.
 
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