What's up with the new Explorer?

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I'm not sure I've seen as much of a fleecing of a new vehicle as I have with Motor Trend's job on the new Explorer. It (the brand new model) finished 6th out of 6 in MT's last comparison test and now they tested the 4-cylinder EcoBoost version and disliked it as well. Strong demerits include poor vehicle packaging, lifeless dynamics, and the Ford MyTouch.

Ford has had undeniable success with their car program as of late. The Fusion, Focus, and Fiesta are all successes, in terms of both media praise AND sales.

Did Ford simply miss it with the new Explorer, or is Motor Trend way off base, in two different reviews now?

MotorTrend review: 2012 Explorer
 
I want to like the new Explorer, but I can't. The seats are too small for my very average male frame. Even a Nissan Altima has much larger seats. Same goes for the Escape, tiny seats. I find the Explorer seats initially comfortable, but after a short time, the size starts to become a problem.

It's fine for short drives and commutes. However, I purchase an SUV to do some driving, some towing, some recreation. It must be comfortable.
 
The new Explorer was designed by two women, and I believe that is the new target market for the "car"
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My personal opinion is that the new Explorer is what ultimately happens when a manufacturer relies too much on focus groups and marketers, and too little on engineers in the development of a vehicle. My single biggest gripe with the vehicle is that I've never seen one with smaller than 18" wheels on the thing, yet the brakes look like they're small enough to fit inside a 16" wheel. They went to a unibody structure to 'save weight', but then they proceed to add back in a ton (no, not literally) of weight for the sake of fashion.

...of course I'm not discounting Bluestream's theory just yet, either.
 
Strange article in some ways. The slow performance is just what it is. But then they go on about how they have changed their mind about the looks of the new Explorer. I have not driven one but I have seen plenty driving to the office. It certainly looks better than the very bland Toyota, Honda etc.
 
I didn't even know they still made it until recently I saw one on the road. It is the only one I've seen in the last month. It is not selling at all up here where I live.
 
My wife likes it (she thinks) based upon seeing them out and about. She is practical and knows about stuff like the costs and downsides of giant 18" wheels. She looks at fuel economy and engine size. She would prefer an MT.

Looking at the MT write-up, it is ridiculous. 9.2 seconds to 60 MPH is bad? Why? 28 MPG is bad? Why? Even if that is an unloaded value, how do most use these vehicles? As single person commuters. If the vehicle is truly loaded all the time that is justification for a bigger powerplant.

One can buy HD trucks with a variety of engines to meet needs and requirements. People dont gripe when a tractor trailer is powered with a six-cylinder engine. Why gripe over a mere four cylinder engine in a relatively small (on the GVWR scale) vehicle.

Ill be the first to dislike stuff that is "oriented" towards one group, especially gullible women/mothers. That stuff generally becomes impractical in terms of fashion. Im not concerned with cramped seats, because 70+% of Americans are obese, and I cont care to be part of that crowd.

Poor space utilization is another thing...

I never like touchscreen controls. Its not an accuracy or a annoyingness issue - touchscreens are getting ever-better and that is a given (look at any tablet PC or smartphone). It is a lifecycle issue, in that I care to keep my vehicles for 10-20 years if possible, and well over 200k. This means manual, cable actuated, serviceable controls are the best way to efficiently and effectively get there.

I find the article half full of reasonable things and half full of ridiculous stuff.

Now that said, my wife and I have shopped some SUVs because in many years we will need to buy one.

The reality is that any one youre going to pay high 30's to mid-40s for any reasonable unit. IMO the hybrid highlander and RX450h are the gold standards. There is no real "hybrid premium" if you compare their outfuit level and cost to something like the explorer, where we have seen $47k units on the lot. The proven economy of those vehicles is established, and so they have good bang for the buck.

Thing is for a car like the highlander, there is no useful three-row space. There is actually more cargo space on the explorer when the third row is invoked than on the highlander. The RX doesnt have a third row. If you really need three rows and space, the next step from the explorer is the suburban. Go big if you really, consistently need it. The reality is that even the tahoe (and likewise the highlander) is useless when you put up the third row and expect to move cargo.

I like the explorer, and hope that they make a loss-leader type with smaller wheels, simpler components and better cost.

It looks like the FWD v6 explorer is on par economy wise with the FWD 4cyl highlander, FWIW.
 
Originally Posted By: SLCraig
I didn't even know they still made it until recently I saw one on the road. It is the only one I've seen in the last month. It is not selling at all up here where I live.


Full body on frame SUV's don't sell well anymore, so Ford had no choice but to re-position the vehicle. Old target market was the "Marlboro Man", new market "Soccer Mom."
We've had this discussion on Explorer Forums many times.
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I won't buy one, but I'm an "Old School" type guy. I do wish them well with it though...
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"My Touch" has been hammered by several reviews lately, as well as consumers.

Despite our recent $4/gal fuel, the auto mags are currently in love with Hemi Jeeps/Durangos. Go figure.

My only gripe with the Expolorer is the same as with most new vehicles in this segment as well as Chargers/Challengers/Camaros/Lacrosse/Taurus.

Way, way too heavy. Stop trying to add 400 hp engines, and build more 3200lb vehicles.
 
Latest C&D didn't think they were too bad. Finished mid-pack on a three-way test with a Pilot and new Durango. This was the V-6 version.

I don't mind them, but just too big for outr needs - we'll stick with out Tribute, and IF we got a new one, it would be the same thing.
 
Motortrend is being ridiculous.

Its not a bad little SUV, and it gets twice the fuel mileage of the old one.

9.2 to 60 is perfectly acceptable for a daily driver, heck it could be a few seconds slower if it got better mileage.

Motortrend doesn't understand that ever car is not an M3.
 
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Originally Posted By: MrCritical


Way, way too heavy. Stop trying to add 400 hp engines, and build more 3200lb vehicles.


Absolutely. The average user doesnt need more than 120 hp. Too bad the last point where their education loeft them was being able to do "greater than" as a basis for decision making.
 
I'm not a fan of the current Explorer, but probably for different reasons than Motor Trend. I like body on frame Explorers, in particular the Ranger-based ones. Ford should have introduced this crossover as its own model under a different name...maybe something to reflect its blob-like shape and minivan qualities.

I like how Toyota has kept the 4Runner separate from its crossovers. It's still true to its roots.
 
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
I'm not a fan of the current Explorer, but probably for different reasons than Motor Trend. I like body on frame Explorers, in particular the Ranger-based ones. Ford should have introduced this crossover as its own model under a different name...maybe something to reflect its blob-like shape and minivan qualities.

I like how Toyota has kept the 4Runner separate from its crossovers. It's still true to its roots.


They kept the Explorer name for brand recognition. It's the same reason Ford scrapped the "Five Hundred" and brought back the Taurus. Brand recognition.
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
I'm not a fan of the current Explorer, but probably for different reasons than Motor Trend. I like body on frame Explorers, in particular the Ranger-based ones. Ford should have introduced this crossover as its own model under a different name...maybe something to reflect its blob-like shape and minivan qualities.

I like how Toyota has kept the 4Runner separate from its crossovers. It's still true to its roots.


They kept the Explorer name for brand recognition. It's the same reason Ford scrapped the "Five Hundred" and brought back the Taurus. Brand recognition.


Sure, the problem is the vehicle Ford now calls the Explorer has very little in common with its predecessors. The Highlander didn't need to poop on the 4Runner's name to sell...it was positioned appropriately for what it was. The 4Runner still appeals to its loyal crowd, and the Highlander appeals to all the moms who need "some safe car thing to drive the kids in."
 
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Ford should have introduced this crossover as its own model under a different name...maybe something to reflect its blob-like shape and minivan qualities.


Then it would be otherwise indistinguishable from Ford's other bloblike crossovers, Edge and Flex. Name recognition is key in this market.
 
I agree that the Explorer would be better recieved if it wasn't replacing the old explorer. This should be considered the new Taurus X/Freestyle.

For someone looking for a 4runner competitor, suddenly the price went up and the capabilities went down. How can they call a front wheel drive car/truck an explorer? Maybe there was a limited market for the body-on-frame explorer. If that's the case, this should still not be called an explorer. There are people out there (like me) that prefered Aerostars and Explorers because they were trucks underneath.

I like the way they look, they drive great IMO (feels like a car - because it is) and I like the interior. I even like the Sync/My touch/whatever it's called interface, although it is not as fast as regular controls. It just isn't an Explorer.
 
Originally Posted By: CBR.worm


For someone looking for a 4runner competitor, suddenly the price went up and the capabilities went down.


Except for real volume and fuel economy. Which is what the typical 4runner buyer looks for too.

I doubt the 4runner is exactly the big seller on the Toyota lot.

We liked the latest and earlier ones (wife had an early 90's 4dr one with the triangle windows that would overheat ATF on hills), but the front lights are funny and the toyota switchgear just screams cheap integrated stuff. Does the latest 4runner have the third seat?
 
Everyone talks here like the old Exploder was a hero. Maybe to some but not here.

The new one is just like everybody else... a dolled up car.

Much more sensible for the typical buyer in this market.
 
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