What's in your filter? Media types explained

[Hohn]

I find this very ironic since Fleetguard, along with Donaldson, operates and markets itself and their products mostly outside of the consumer automotive aftermarket. Your company may be an OEM for HD equipment filtration and for some automotive joint contract venture. The average joe, even the ones here that turn their own wrenches here has no idea who and what Fleetguard is.

If Atmus Filtration, the parent company has plans to broaden the Fleetguard name brand into other markets, its a pretty good opportunity now since your potential competitors that are in this market only only pumping out seas of trash without regards to quality control commitment to save themselves every penny to meet shortsighted KPI goals.

You guys tout a lot about your in-house media mill and development capacity though the reality is its really limited exposure is only seen in the core market you operate in and not much elsewhere other than us filtration nerds in BITOG and probably engineers that have been exposed to your products to see the benefit.

With respect to those I deeply respect in TN, their marketing is terrible since they split off and they really need to step up the SEO game at least.

A very specific search for something like "FH239 Industrial pro" will not produce a hit on the Fleetguard page for any of the first page of Google search results.

That's right-- the mother ship and all the tech data and literature isn't even a first page search result, outranked by Google in favor of resellers and Ebay listings. I would find that unacceptable.

 

[Lilliston]

Must be a 'town kid' thing. I and every other farmer I knew when I farmed knew Fleetguard. It was one of the brands we used or at least had locally available for the tractors and trucks and such.

I'd be very pleased to use Fleetguard on the car(s) and such now, but you'd need to make something for Japanese cars (Honda, Mazda).

 

[NashNative]

Here's the replay link from Friday's session if anyone wants to check it out:

 

[JohnnyJohnson]

I seriously could care about the media I'm looking for a minimum of 99 plus efficiency at 20 microns or better. When are the moving to 10 microns?

 

[B_D_1985]

Cool thread!

Thanks for taking the time to post this info and sticking around to help!

 

[Faawrenchbndr]

I seriously could care about the media I'm looking for a minimum of 99 plus efficiency at 20 microns or better. When are the moving to 10 microns?

Really don’t think you’ll ever see that, too much flow restriction that size

 

[OVERKILL]

Really don’t think you’ll ever see that, too much flow restriction that size

Actually, when Ascent tested the OG FRAM Ultra, it was >99.8% at 15 microns, so it would have been pretty bloody close to 99% at 10 microns:

 

[Faawrenchbndr]

Actually, when Ascent tested the OG FRAM Ultra, it was >99.8% at 15 microns, so it would have been pretty bloody close to 99% at 10 microns:
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Pretty **** close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. In the aircraft world, five microns is a rather large hole.

 

[OVERKILL]

Pretty **** close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. In the aircraft world, five microns is a rather large hole.

Well, unfortunately Ascent stopped their testing at 15 microns, so we don't have the actual efficiency at the 10 micron particle size.

Donaldson DBL filters are >90% efficient at 10 microns and they list themselves as being 99% at 15 microns.

 

[Faawrenchbndr]

Well, unfortunately Ascent stopped their testing at 15 microns, so we don't have the actual efficiency at the 10 micron particle size.

Donaldson DBL filters are >90% efficient at 10 microns and they list themselves as being 99% at 15 microns.

OK, it looks like it can be tested down that low.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Pretty **** close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. In the aircraft world, five microns is a rather large hole.

BITOG member Motorking (who worked for Fram) said the OG Ultra was 80% @ 5 microns, per their engineering department.

 

[ZeeOSix]

OK, it looks like it can be tested down that low.

Yes, depends on the particle counters used in the ISO 4548-12 test.

 

[Olds394]

Who is making the filter media? I would imagine some is made in house, while others might just purchase the lowest cost media.
I don’t like choosing filters by “fit and finish” or how pretty the can is.

 

[OVERKILL]

Who is making the filter media? I would imagine some is made in house, while others might just purchase the lowest cost media.
I don’t like choosing filters by “fit and finish” or how pretty the can is.

Most of the big names make their own.

 

[Olds394]

Most of the big names make their own.

That’s reassuring since I’ve decided to stop buying cheap filters in bulk, and stay with long established big names bought as needed.