what tools should i buy

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Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
When you're first starting out, you should buy the lowest quality tools you can find. Get you some sloppy Indian
made tools. If you can't find Indian made tools, get you some nasty Chinese made tools from Harbor Freight.


ya, and then when your out of school doing this as a career, and no longer have the 60% snap on discount, youll be kicking yourself for the rest of your life. Just remember as an automotive student, you are getting discounts NO ONE else in the world can get, and you will NEVER have access to those discounts again. so take advantage of them as much as possible!!
 
Hm. I'm a DIYer, so my opinion dosent really count.... However. I'm chiming in anyway. Harbor freight and craftsman are for people like me.

I think future auto mechanics should be getting pro quality tools. In the auto mechanic world, that's snap on, matco, Mac, cornwell. You're paying for both quality, name, and maybe most importantly, the truck guy's service. The tools should come to your place of work in the future. You shouldnt have to go to sears at the end of the day to warranty stuff. Go home and enjoy the rest of your evening instead.

If you buy cheap tools, you'll eventually replace then with quality stuff - and you'll have wasted your money, because there's going to be little resale value on cheap tools. If you buy quality tools, you may never need to upgrade ever.

I don't see how you can turn down the auto student discounts of truck tools. They're significant.

I would agree with others on a few things: don't go into too much debt. And toolboxes don't do anything, so spending big bucks on new boxes makes less sense.
 
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Something else i forgot to mention; with student discounts, you get snap on tools actually cheaper then craftsman alot of the time... and like i said before, if youre using your tools to feed your kids, well, it doesnt take a rocket scientist...

Also, most mechancs work on commission. So if you have to leave to run somewhere to replace your ratchet, you just lost money..
 
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you get snap on tools actually cheaper then craftsman alot of the time

Thats a fact! Even used if things didn't work out they will still bring more used then he paid for them.
I love working with good tools, they make all the difference in the world.
 
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I'd invest in some good tool truck stuff while you're in school. Like others have stated either way you'll be money ahead if you sell them after school or keep them for life. The offers like that won't ever be available again, so get all the core stuff you'll use all the time.
 
Just some things to think about. When I was in school Snap-On only offered student discounts on entire sets. They pick the tools in the set not you and you could not get them off the truck only direct from snap on through a representative that came to the school. Mac had a 50% discount on boxes and hand tools only but they could be purchased right off the truck with cash or check once the proper forms were filled out. The tools I have recently bought from mac have been of low quality. Beware of the ones that are not stamped Mac USA they seem to be about the same as the stanley ones from wal mart. I have a lot of craftsman sockets and have had good luck with them. They are from the late 90's though and I have never been too fond of their ratchets. Tools do not make the tech. The top guy in the shop I work at uses almost entirely craftsman tools to avoid the debt. I know this is a poorly written group of random thoughts but maybe something in there can help you. Btw I hate my job most days are you sure you want to work on cars? lol
 
Originally Posted By: cb_13
Btw I hate my job most days are you sure you want to work on cars? lol

Not an easy job thats for sure. On your feet all day, squeezing and twisting into cramped engine compartments, under often less than ideal working conditions.

I think that is why there are many people selling mechanics tool sets on craiglist, they rushed out, purchased a huge set of tools before really finding out what is like working on cars for a living, day in, day out.

Again, I say screw the discount. If this turns out to be something you truly enjoy and are successful at there will be plenty of opportunities to buy complete sets later on.
 
ok let me say this i will be a mechanic. its what im going to do . if i could do any job it would be nascar driver but thats not practical
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so mechanic it is. my dad has a friend that had a heart attack and died a year or so ago and he had massive amounts of tools so i will be probably buying some of those . he was a good guy . he rewired half my truck for a case of beer. darn old ford truck.....man i miss that truck..... so ill buy some of his and then head off to the mac truck probably. i honestly think wrenches ill buy craftsman if they're cheaper but not for sockets and ratchets. im going to go shopping at sears on black friday. ill buy some craftsman stuff tool boxes wrenches stuff like that. most of my tools are craftsman the american ones and they're good tools. i have used several sockets on impacts more than once and they take the abuse. and the only time i broke craftsman ratchets was also on jobs where other ratchets broke to. i once broke a snap on then craftsman and lastly put a stanley on it and it didnt break. ill give stanley credit. they arent bad for the diy for the price
 
Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
ok let me say this i will be a mechanic. its what im going to do . if i could do any job it would be nascar driver but thats not practical
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so mechanic it is.


There is this great movie by Jarmusch: one minute and fifteen seconds into it they discuss mechanic's career http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuoBG0ASTRw
 
Originally Posted By: Rock_Hudstone
Originally Posted By: cb_13
Btw I hate my job most days are you sure you want to work on cars? lol

Not an easy job thats for sure. On your feet all day, squeezing and twisting into cramped engine compartments, under often less than ideal working conditions.

I think that is why there are many people selling mechanics tool sets on craiglist, they rushed out, purchased a huge set of tools before really finding out what is like working on cars for a living, day in, day out.

Again, I say screw the discount. If this turns out to be something you truly enjoy and are successful at there will be plenty of opportunities to buy complete sets later on.

What gets me is everything that people attempt to blame on us. I almost got fired in my first week because I got accused of stealing someones sunglasses. At least the guy called back to tell my manager he found them. They were in his other vehicle the whole time. Last week a guy came in with a busted side mirror. Threw a fit because warranty does not cover when you hit it with a blunt object. By the end of the conversation he was blaming the guy who worked on it for breaking it. His excuse was it was not "that bad" before you guys messed with it. So the shop ended up buying him a mirror just to get him out of there since he was making such a scene in front of other customers.
 
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Snap-On, Mac and Matco all make great tools. I was sad to learn some are not US-made any more. Cornwell and USA Tool trucks sell decent stuff as well. S-K used to be good, so did Craftsman, I have no idea who makes what and how good or bad they might be nowadays. I have a wide assortment of tools in my box. I have a good amount of Snap-On wrenches, ratchets and socket sets I bought back in the 80's and 90's. I also have a lot of Mac hand tools, 3/8" sockets and ratchets from the same era. I well remember stashing $40.00 out of my pay check in my tool box so I would have the money to pay the tool man when he showed up the next week. I have 2 sets of Kobalt 1/2" sockets and a Kobalt 1/2" ratchet and extension set that I got at Lowe's, they have been very good too. I don't turn wrenches and twist wires for a living anymore, those days are long gone but every tool in my box is precious and valuable to me.

My opinion is, even with the Snap-On discount, it might still be better to take the student loan money and at least check out some of the lesser expensive hand tools at Harbor Freight or maybe one of the other online tool stores. I say "hand tools" because I also have a lot of HF wrenches, a couple of their ratchets and other non-electric hand tools that I bought at HF. The Pittsburgh brand seems to be excellent quality, even if it is made in China or Taiwan, or wherever else it is made. I have had very good luck with the fully-polished style of HF wrenches I have bought. Their cheaper panel style wrenches may not be as good. You have to be very careful with anything from HF that is electric, though. Their electric tools like electric drills, saws, grinders, etc and the like may or may not stand up to everyday hard use in a professional setting. However I have read some good reviews on HF air tools, I read their Earthquake line of impact wrenches is pretty good. My set of Craftsman Professional Series screwdrivers are the very best I have ever used, and that includes Snap-On, Mac and all the others. I have a few Duralast tools I got at Autozone, they are good quality too, I have a Duralast 3/8" torque wrench that has been excellent quality for what I need it for here at home but I have no idea how it would hold up in a pro shop environment. That doesn't matter to me, I got the wrench for free with my AZ reward points.

Here is how I see it: If it were me, and I were a younger guy with a wife and baby at home, I would stretch that student loan money as far as possible. You can get a lot more for your money at HF, and also by shopping around at the local pawn shops, Craigslist, Ebay, etc. Later on in life, as you get further into your career you can buy the good quality Snap-On pro tools if you want. Right now you have a family to support and it makes more sense to me to buy what you need in a decent brand but you don't necessarily need to buy the most expensive just because Snappy offers a discount. Back in the day the Snap-On student sets were sets that you could buy but the sets contained tools that Snap-On put in the set; you were not allowed to pick and choose what you wanted to buy. I don't know if it is like that today.

I have always heard it said, it's not the tools, it's the man using the tools that makes the difference. You can do just as good a job with a $5.00 Craftsman or Pittsburgh wrench in your hand as you can with a genuine Snap-On $50.00 wrench. The difference is you will still have money in your pocket to stop at the grocery store on the way home.

My other opinion on this is to not go nuts buying an expensive Snap-On or other pro brand tool box. The boxes at HF are excellent quality, have great prices and would do just fine for at least a few years when you start out working in a shop. Later on in your career if you want a good quality Snap-On box you can save up and pay cash for a new or used one off the truck, Craigslist, EBay, or maybe at a pawn shop or swap meet. Back in the day my Snap-On man almost always had a used box for sale on the truck or in his garage at home. So did the Mac man too. There is a similar old saying that goes "It's not the box, it's the tools in the box that gets the job done."

This is just my 2 cents on it. If it were me, I would try to buy what you need to get started, spend as smartly as possible, start your training and be dead solid sure this is what you want to do for a living for the next 30 or 40 years and go from there. Later on as you get further into your career and buy better quality tools, you can take your older, less expensive tools home for use in your own garage. That's how I see it. Others here and elsewhere will see it differently.
 
I suspect this advice is going to be ignored but still needs to given:-

Go to youtube (or garagejournalforums) and searched for "mechanicnamedjohn" . May be you will learn something from him before going in debt for your shiny Snap-On.

This guy now OWNS his own shop after making money using nothing but HFT arsenal. He is also debt free.

- Vikas
 
No, I do not know him personally. All I know is from his persona on the GarageJournalForum for few years.

From my perspective, he is as real as anybody else on the internet. I mean for all I know the highly respected DemarPaint of BITOG could be smoking 16 year old blond girl! (Sorry Frank :-)

- Vikas
 
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Originally Posted By: Y_K
Do you know him personally? I am asking after reading this

Notice how the writing is still on all the handles of the screwdrivers, ratchets and pliers. I like to think I take care of my tools but any writing on the handles are mostly wore off from use. No scuffs and the laser etching is still on the sockets too. That stuff looks new to me. If he is making a living off of harbor freight tools then good for him. I just see too much evidence that those are brand new tools for me to believe the story.
 
Originally Posted By: cb_13
I just see too much evidence that those are brand new tools for me to believe the story.


Count me among the skeptics. Everything was new and spotlessly clean, even stuff that ALWAYS shows wear and/or grime with even the most fastidious use and care. All those orange-handled pliers? Spotless. Those red cases for various gear pullers and diagnostic equipment? Spotless. Dozens and dozens of impact sockets? Spotless. Chisels, punches and pickle forks? Not a scratch on any of them. All brand new.
 
Count me in the skeptics column. I use my tools daily and take good care of them. even so the composite handles on my Hazet ratchets are scuffed and marked from hitting stuff under the hood.

The writing on almost everything that had any on the handles is long gone and the finish on every tool is dulled from the tens of thousands of micro scratches from normal everyday use.
The only pristine tools i have are torque wrenches, use them, reset to zero and rebox them.
 
At home for my private use, I use mostly Craftsman and Allen tools, with the occasional Blackhawk thrown in. At work, as an industrial mechanic, I use mostly HF or AZ budget stuff. I've never had a problem and no one steals anything. We use wrenches and hex keys for about 75% of all repairs/adjustments. because of the prices, I can get lots of specialty wrench types for the same as one good set of combination wrenches.
Another factor for me is that if/when a mechanic is fired/quits they make you wait up to 6 months to get your stuff back and it gets cherry-picked before you get it. My assistant mechanic there has his entire set made up from items from previous mechanics. That's all I needed to see.
 
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