What possible damage from "plus zero" tires?

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I want to go to a "plus zero" tire size (wider with lower profile to retain diameter/rolling radius). My wheels can support the wider tire.

I wonder what additional strain might be applied to bushings, tie rods, etc to give the manufacturer a reason to deny warranty repair should I have any suspension/brake problems after going to the plus zero tires.

Any one have any experience with a manufacturer denying warranty coverage because of plus zero tires? Or, any one know of any suspension/brake problems from a plus zero tire? Thanks.
 
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If the plus zero tires are the same diameter with OE tires, then the plus zero tires are heavier and that extra weight would put more strains on suspension components. Also, you may lost a few MPG because the wider tires have more friction.
 
I don't like far oversize, but always use the "fullest" size and then some. One you use a nicer size, it's literally impossivle to go back because it does work so well. Take the Audi A4 vs the VW Passat. The Audi uses 205/60-15 stock and the VW uses 195/65-15. When I retire a Passat, which size do you think I use? If you are going only 10mm wider and keep similar diameter, definately go for it. btw- our CRV uses 205/70-15 and we use 215/70. I don't think an oem would deny warranty unless there was some extreme situation. Many oems sell x-sized wheels from a catalogue.
 
It won't hurt anything, the offset will be the same so the imaginary dot in the center of your rolling zone will be in the same spot.

Going with non-stock rims with different offsets is what starts messing with the handling, wearing bearings, etc.
 
If it changes the offset, the bearings see more stress. The bearings are designed with little extra robustness that may compensate for the extra load. Our company urges the OEM to deny warranty claims of failed bearings if the suspension geometry is altered from design specs.
 
Thanks. I forgot about the weight increase. So, here's what we have; going from a 225/45/19 front to 245/40/19 front with a 2 lb/tire weight increase and from a 245/40/19 rear to a 275/35/19 rear with a 1 lb/tire weight increase.

My only fear is warranty denial from any suspension/brake problems (everything else stock) which might come up. I guess the bottom line is how much I trust or distrust the manufacturer. I'll probably ask the dealer and the tire manufacturer (OEM is same as plus zero).
 
Originally Posted By: Kestas
If it changes the offset, the bearings see more stress. The bearings are designed with little extra robustness that may compensate for the extra load. Our company urges the OEM to deny warranty claims of failed bearings if the suspension geometry is altered from design specs.


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Plus 0 is what comes from the factory as an option on my car.

Z/28 Option: 245/50/ZR16

My Car: 235/55/HR16

I run 245/5016 on the same Z/28 rim. I suspect however I have taken a fuel economy hit. The tires are wider resulting in more drag. Moreover, they are not low resistance tires compared to my higher economy touring tires in the lower size. I do enjoy a handling benefit.

Win some/loose some.
 
Originally Posted By: notalk
Thanks. I forgot about the weight increase. So, here's what we have; going from a 225/45/19 front to 245/40/19 front with a 2 lb/tire weight increase and from a 245/40/19 rear to a 275/35/19 rear with a 1 lb/tire weight increase.

My only fear is warranty denial from any suspension/brake problems (everything else stock) which might come up. I guess the bottom line is how much I trust or distrust the manufacturer. I'll probably ask the dealer and the tire manufacturer (OEM is same as plus zero).


1) I get the feeling you've checked the rim widths and they are adequate.

2) I don't get the feeling you've checked if there is enough clearance - and rubbing tires can result in some pretty dangerous situations. Be aware that the worst condition is fully compressed AND fully turned - AND - tires flex under handling manuevers so there needs to be extra clearance to account for that!

3) You can count on being denied warranty on the suspension and brakes. It isn't a matter of trust - it's a matter of what the original was. Change the vehicle in some way and the warranty is void. You may not like it - or may think it is unfair - but warranty is a contract and you will be breaking the contract.

Asking the tire manufacturer is wasting your time. They don't administer the vehicle warranty - only the tire warranty.

The vehicle dealer administrates the vehicle warranty, but the factory has the final say! The vehicle dealer MIGHT do a warranty on the vehicle, but they run the risk of having their claim denied and then they will not be paid for the work.
 
Originally Posted By: CapriRacer
Originally Posted By: notalk
Thanks. I forgot about the weight increase. So, here's what we have; going from a 225/45/19 front to 245/40/19 front with a 2 lb/tire weight increase and from a 245/40/19 rear to a 275/35/19 rear with a 1 lb/tire weight increase.

My only fear is warranty denial from any suspension/brake problems (everything else stock) which might come up. I guess the bottom line is how much I trust or distrust the manufacturer. I'll probably ask the dealer and the tire manufacturer (OEM is same as plus zero).


1) I get the feeling you've checked the rim widths and they are adequate.

2) I don't get the feeling you've checked if there is enough clearance - and rubbing tires can result in some pretty dangerous situations. Be aware that the worst condition is fully compressed AND fully turned - AND - tires flex under handling manuevers so there needs to be extra clearance to account for that!

3) You can count on being denied warranty on the suspension and brakes. It isn't a matter of trust - it's a matter of what the original was. Change the vehicle in some way and the warranty is void. You may not like it - or may think it is unfair - but warranty is a contract and you will be breaking the contract.

Asking the tire manufacturer is wasting your time. They don't administer the vehicle warranty - only the tire warranty.

The vehicle dealer administrates the vehicle warranty, but the factory has the final say! The vehicle dealer MIGHT do a warranty on the vehicle, but they run the risk of having their claim denied and then they will not be paid for the work.



Thanks CapriRacer. Yes, the wheel is more than adequate. And, clearance will not be a problem.

To Audi Junkie, no this is not a huge increase. It is, effectively a very small increase, hence fitting on the same rims and rim widths. In fact, due to the way the manufacturer measures these tire the actual width increase is about 6-8 mm. And, putting more rubber on the road should help handling, although reducing the sidewall width should reduce ride quality.

CapriRacer, yes I was afraid that a manufacturer with a long history of denying warranty claims would use anything to deny warranty coverage. I was going to ask the tire manufacturer if the size difference was substantial enough to add stress to the suspension/brake components or if the size difference was negligible enough to not add any stress. Who knows, I might get lucky and get a response that in the tire manufacturer's opinion no additional stresses would result from the plus zero tires.

Thanks for your help. Sometimes we just need someone to tell us our gut instincts are really right.
 
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Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
I don't like far oversize, but always use the "fullest" size and then some. One you use a nicer size, it's literally impossivle to go back because it does work so well. Take the Audi A4 vs the VW Passat. The Audi uses 205/60-15 stock and the VW uses 195/65-15. When I retire a Passat, which size do you think I use? If you are going only 10mm wider and keep similar diameter, definately go for it. btw- our CRV uses 205/70-15 and we use 215/70. I don't think an oem would deny warranty unless there was some extreme situation. Many oems sell x-sized wheels from a catalogue.


Audi Junkie,

What year is your CRV? The reason that I ask is, that my buddy just bought a 2000 CRV(nice shape) for his youngest son and the 205-70-15 tires are about to be replaced. My buddy just happens to have 4 brand new Dunlop Signature tires from a mini-van in 215-70-15 that he wants to install on the CRV. Is this possible?

Thanks,

CB
 
I don't think plus zero with the same tire size as OEM option would be a problem, other than a tradeoff between handling and fuel economy.

Did that to my corolla, fuel economy went down a bit (may be due to a change from T to H rating tire) and handling improved a bit.
 
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