I dont understand why you can not just run a maintanance dose of AutoRx on a newer engine. I asked about just taking a new engine (less than 10K) and running the smaller dose each oil change to keep it clean. Other than selling an extra bottle of Rx why couldnt you do that. I was pointed to the directions that say to use the entire bottle. Marketing to make sure you buy two???
What makes me leary of using the RX
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I'd say you're probably correct. I tend to think that there are so many redundant questions that, at times, you get rhetorical answers. I'm guilty of "surface reading" quite often (in fact, I've been guilty of "surface writing" which is very scary
reptile brain in control). OTOH, there may be a very valid reason to do the whole treatment on a relatively clean engine.
I wouldn't assign it a marketing technique notation right off the bat. I can understand your feeling that this may be the case however. Honest product ..and by any way I can measure ..honest vendor. I've seen Frank say a few things that don't necessarily make sense from time to time ...but the last guy I know that didn't make a mistake died on the cross ..so I can't judge too harshly in that regard.
One swallow does not the summer make.
I wouldn't assign it a marketing technique notation right off the bat. I can understand your feeling that this may be the case however. Honest product ..and by any way I can measure ..honest vendor. I've seen Frank say a few things that don't necessarily make sense from time to time ...but the last guy I know that didn't make a mistake died on the cross ..so I can't judge too harshly in that regard.
One swallow does not the summer make.
I apologize if you got a reply that made you think we just wanted to sell an extra bottle. First (Dyson Oil Analysis has tested 2 ounces as Auto-Rx maintenance dose) so this is a change. If you have heavy oil burning or sludge issues it is still 3 ounces. Thats after engine has been cleaned by Auto-Rx application for your particular engine.
(In your case 1 botttle is required due to your mileage) lets see if this helps when your engine has been cleaned you have new performance specs such as compression ratio/combustion efficency to name a few.The Auto-Rx maintenance plan is designed to keep those new performance specs over many miles. The maintenance program is not designed to clean and maintain your engine because of low miles. Tell you what buy one bottle for your car, follow the application and post what came out of your engine after the rinse cycle is complete. Get a hold of Dyson Oil Analysis and Auto-Rx will pay for your oil analysis test.You agree to post the results.I think at that point you will buy a second bottle of Auto-Rx for maintenace plan(2 ounces every oil change )
Nothing out performs Auto-Rx Cleansing-New Oil &
Auto-Rx Maintenance Plan.
Nothing
(In your case 1 botttle is required due to your mileage) lets see if this helps when your engine has been cleaned you have new performance specs such as compression ratio/combustion efficency to name a few.The Auto-Rx maintenance plan is designed to keep those new performance specs over many miles. The maintenance program is not designed to clean and maintain your engine because of low miles. Tell you what buy one bottle for your car, follow the application and post what came out of your engine after the rinse cycle is complete. Get a hold of Dyson Oil Analysis and Auto-Rx will pay for your oil analysis test.You agree to post the results.I think at that point you will buy a second bottle of Auto-Rx for maintenace plan(2 ounces every oil change )
Nothing out performs Auto-Rx Cleansing-New Oil &
Auto-Rx Maintenance Plan.
Nothing
There are a few things which ARX does that make it such a popular seller here on this board.
1) it dissolves the crud on your ring packs
2) it dissolved the crud that is clogging your hydraulic lifters
3) it cleans and conditions seals, and fixes leaky ones on many occasions
Many people who used ARX for the full clean and rinse phase noted an increased in compression, and improved mileage, power and smoothness of the engine. This is due mainly to the unsticking of the ring packs, and quite possibility an improvement in hydraulic lifter operation.
If you have a fairly low mileage engine, I would still think your ring packs may have some carbon buildup started. 10K miles is still a fair distance, and if you have been using dino oil, this further compounds the possibility you might have carbon on your rings. The ring lands on newer engines have been moved closer to the top of the piston, aiming to further lower emissions. This is good, except now the ring packs are exposed to higher temperatures, and increases the demands on the oil. Oxidation resistance is not a forte of dino oils, as many will point out.
1) it dissolves the crud on your ring packs
2) it dissolved the crud that is clogging your hydraulic lifters
3) it cleans and conditions seals, and fixes leaky ones on many occasions
Many people who used ARX for the full clean and rinse phase noted an increased in compression, and improved mileage, power and smoothness of the engine. This is due mainly to the unsticking of the ring packs, and quite possibility an improvement in hydraulic lifter operation.
If you have a fairly low mileage engine, I would still think your ring packs may have some carbon buildup started. 10K miles is still a fair distance, and if you have been using dino oil, this further compounds the possibility you might have carbon on your rings. The ring lands on newer engines have been moved closer to the top of the piston, aiming to further lower emissions. This is good, except now the ring packs are exposed to higher temperatures, and increases the demands on the oil. Oxidation resistance is not a forte of dino oils, as many will point out.
Its never too early to start cleaning with ARX. I will be cleaning the wifes ride shortly, with only 11,000 on the clock. Impala with 3800 series V-6. My goal is to never let the rings and lans get carbonized to start with. Prevention is the key. Always harder to cure a problem, than preventing one.
Rick20, on a positive note the 3800 is the only engine GM makes that does not have carbon, sludge,piston slap or consuption issues of any kind normaly! Mind you I am speaking of the pre 5W30 ones.
It is also the only GM engine that usualy goes to about 200,000 before any oil consuption starts and they will normaly hit 300,000 miles just fine.The transmissions and upper intake manifold are the weak links!
It is also the only GM engine that usualy goes to about 200,000 before any oil consuption starts and they will normaly hit 300,000 miles just fine.The transmissions and upper intake manifold are the weak links!
Thanks John,
I had heard that the upper intake manifold has been proned to cracking.
I had heard that the upper intake manifold has been proned to cracking.
I think I remember a posting from Terry Dyson a while back saying that using just the maintenance dose on a very low mileage engine will work OK.
Anyway you use ARX will help. If you don't think you need the full cleaning, don't. ARX wants you to do the whole job because they're sure it will work well removing anything that might have built up. It is a very small gamble for you to skip that part. Your decision.
Ken
Not only that but the original intake gasket design is junk. The frame is made of sections of thicker nylon joined by just a sliver of material. This broke allowing the silcone material to be displaced and thus coolant to leak past. The Felpro replacement I got was made with full thickness of material everywhere in one continuous peice.
So it's not just the manifold itself. This was on a GTP, the manifold is aluminum.
So it's not just the manifold itself. This was on a GTP, the manifold is aluminum.
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