Illusive - You can't go wrong with either of those choices really. I feel Amsoil is higher quality, but Mobil 1 is much more readily available. It comes down to personal preference.
What is the best oil to use?
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Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: lazaro
I installed a similar blower setup on a BMW and we needed an extra quart of oil for the blower wich is a rotex and that bottle of oil cost $150, hope you wont need any of that soon.
the operators manual mentioned the oil was good for 50,000 miles.
the kit that you installed, did it come with a cooler for the blower oil?
Mobil1 is the best, ADVERTISED.
Amsoil spends more to manufacture what is in the bottle.
UOA always show less wear metals...
Not to imply ANY disrespect to Amsoil but I would love you to provide SOLID evidence that Amsoil spends more on R&D per oil grade than Exxon-Mobil does.
Exxon-Mobil is a multi-BILLION dollar company. You cannot, with ANY respect for EITHER company, compare Exxon-Mobil's spending/costs to that of a small blender. It's like comparing the cost of a Aircraft Carrier to that of a KIA.
Exxon-Mobil spends a LOT of money to CERTIFY their oils. To my knowledge, more than ANY other oil manufacturer or blender.
Exxon-Mobil quite likely spends more on oil CERTIFICATIONS than Amsoil spends on R&D!!!
So to try and belittle Exxon-Mobil's priorities (the stab at their advertising for example) to make it appear as though they do not spend the money on R&D is a farce. They obviously DO spend it on R&D, otherwise they wouldn't waste MILLIONS of dollars getting all the manufacturer approvals because the oils wouldn't meet them!!!
Amsoil is a FANTASTIC product. They need more guys like Gary and Pablo who let the product speak for itself rather than pushy, unsubstantiated tripe. (This is not a dig at you directly, simply an observation I've made; certain people seem to PUSH the product while slamming everyone else, specifically M1).
thanks for the
reply, happy to spend the time here with you guys.
I dont work at Amsoil so I cant show you the invoices or the propietary evidence we all wish to have,to know that Amsoil
spends more money on base stocks and additives than another company.
I simply believe from all the oil samples I have done over the years and many of the ones I see here that wear metals are consintently lower over long drain intervals than any other UOA I have seen.
how many people here complain about noisy mobil1 engines?
I have a friend with a new 6.0 chevy truck that complains about the same thing, he works at a parts house and he gets Mobil1 for free for the past 15 years and changes it every 3000 miles.
For12 years I have been saying the same thing over and over, now he is going to actually spend some coin and buy something else to see if the noise goes away.
back2proof you ask about, If I actually had the smoking gun that Amsoil spends more money on chemicals inside the bottle of oil( I never said the wordsResearch & development) what would you say then? hogwash!?
the results speak for themselves. now in special cases like BILL IN UTAH how can we take his constant changing of different brands of oil and samples seriously? he will be testing all the available brands for the rest of his life and he wont be able to try out all the brands that are availble.
sounds like mass confusion to me but his testing is valuble to alot of people, just not me.
I like people like Bill cause I can see his reasoning, I used to think on the same lines.
It is kind of like school,kindergarden comes first and so on and so on till you graduate.
We all learn as we go along, some take longer than others some skip steps, some ignore failures.
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So to try and belittle Exxon-Mobil's priorities (the stab at their advertising for example) to make it appear as though they do not spend the money on R&D is a farce. They obviously DO spend it on R&D, otherwise they wouldn't waste MILLIONS of dollars getting all the manufacturer approvals because the oils wouldn't meet them!!!
DID I say any of that? I sure didn't
I will ask how much is spent Advertising M1?
I bet it is much more than Amsoil spends.
Bottom line I want to use a oil that is the best for me and my equiptment. Here on BITOG I can share my experiences as anyone else. As long as Im not peeing on your leg and telling you it is raining...
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Exxon-Mobil is a multi-BILLION dollar company. You cannot, with ANY respect for EITHER company, compare Exxon-Mobil's spending/costs to that of a small blender. It's like comparing the cost of a Aircraft Carrier to that of a KIA.
Amsoil Is world wide as well and not that small as you imply...
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certain people seem to PUSH the product while slamming everyone else, specifically M1).
I feel the same way when I watch Mobil1 commercials that are so vague on details, like the one about the trip around the world without changing the oil????
And people accuse me of being PUSHY? it is ok then if I had billions to spend making vague commercials then you would respect it????
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Exxon-Mobil spends a LOT of money to CERTIFY their oils. To my knowledge, more than ANY other oil manufacturer or blender.
who owns the API American Petrolium Instite anyways? George Bush?
since I went there let me ask how do you feel about congress wanting to dig into the pockets of Exxon Mobil for windfall profits?
I dont like it one bit, tax the [censored] out of a company that makes a profit and give money to the companies that fail like fannie may!!!
Originally Posted By: lazaro
I installed a similar blower setup on a BMW and we needed an extra quart of oil for the blower wich is a rotex and that bottle of oil cost $150, hope you wont need any of that soon.
the operators manual mentioned the oil was good for 50,000 miles.
the kit that you installed, did it come with a cooler for the blower oil?
Mobil1 is the best, ADVERTISED.
Amsoil spends more to manufacture what is in the bottle.
UOA always show less wear metals...
Not to imply ANY disrespect to Amsoil but I would love you to provide SOLID evidence that Amsoil spends more on R&D per oil grade than Exxon-Mobil does.
Exxon-Mobil is a multi-BILLION dollar company. You cannot, with ANY respect for EITHER company, compare Exxon-Mobil's spending/costs to that of a small blender. It's like comparing the cost of a Aircraft Carrier to that of a KIA.
Exxon-Mobil spends a LOT of money to CERTIFY their oils. To my knowledge, more than ANY other oil manufacturer or blender.
Exxon-Mobil quite likely spends more on oil CERTIFICATIONS than Amsoil spends on R&D!!!
So to try and belittle Exxon-Mobil's priorities (the stab at their advertising for example) to make it appear as though they do not spend the money on R&D is a farce. They obviously DO spend it on R&D, otherwise they wouldn't waste MILLIONS of dollars getting all the manufacturer approvals because the oils wouldn't meet them!!!
Amsoil is a FANTASTIC product. They need more guys like Gary and Pablo who let the product speak for itself rather than pushy, unsubstantiated tripe. (This is not a dig at you directly, simply an observation I've made; certain people seem to PUSH the product while slamming everyone else, specifically M1).
thanks for the
reply, happy to spend the time here with you guys.
I dont work at Amsoil so I cant show you the invoices or the propietary evidence we all wish to have,to know that Amsoil
spends more money on base stocks and additives than another company.
I simply believe from all the oil samples I have done over the years and many of the ones I see here that wear metals are consintently lower over long drain intervals than any other UOA I have seen.
how many people here complain about noisy mobil1 engines?
I have a friend with a new 6.0 chevy truck that complains about the same thing, he works at a parts house and he gets Mobil1 for free for the past 15 years and changes it every 3000 miles.
For12 years I have been saying the same thing over and over, now he is going to actually spend some coin and buy something else to see if the noise goes away.
back2proof you ask about, If I actually had the smoking gun that Amsoil spends more money on chemicals inside the bottle of oil( I never said the wordsResearch & development) what would you say then? hogwash!?
the results speak for themselves. now in special cases like BILL IN UTAH how can we take his constant changing of different brands of oil and samples seriously? he will be testing all the available brands for the rest of his life and he wont be able to try out all the brands that are availble.
sounds like mass confusion to me but his testing is valuble to alot of people, just not me.
I like people like Bill cause I can see his reasoning, I used to think on the same lines.
It is kind of like school,kindergarden comes first and so on and so on till you graduate.
We all learn as we go along, some take longer than others some skip steps, some ignore failures.
Quote:
So to try and belittle Exxon-Mobil's priorities (the stab at their advertising for example) to make it appear as though they do not spend the money on R&D is a farce. They obviously DO spend it on R&D, otherwise they wouldn't waste MILLIONS of dollars getting all the manufacturer approvals because the oils wouldn't meet them!!!
DID I say any of that? I sure didn't
I will ask how much is spent Advertising M1?
I bet it is much more than Amsoil spends.
Bottom line I want to use a oil that is the best for me and my equiptment. Here on BITOG I can share my experiences as anyone else. As long as Im not peeing on your leg and telling you it is raining...
Quote:
Exxon-Mobil is a multi-BILLION dollar company. You cannot, with ANY respect for EITHER company, compare Exxon-Mobil's spending/costs to that of a small blender. It's like comparing the cost of a Aircraft Carrier to that of a KIA.
Amsoil Is world wide as well and not that small as you imply...
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certain people seem to PUSH the product while slamming everyone else, specifically M1).
I feel the same way when I watch Mobil1 commercials that are so vague on details, like the one about the trip around the world without changing the oil????
And people accuse me of being PUSHY? it is ok then if I had billions to spend making vague commercials then you would respect it????
Quote:
Exxon-Mobil spends a LOT of money to CERTIFY their oils. To my knowledge, more than ANY other oil manufacturer or blender.
who owns the API American Petrolium Instite anyways? George Bush?
since I went there let me ask how do you feel about congress wanting to dig into the pockets of Exxon Mobil for windfall profits?
I dont like it one bit, tax the [censored] out of a company that makes a profit and give money to the companies that fail like fannie may!!!
OVERKILL
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Originally Posted By: lazaro
will ask how much is spent Advertising M1?
I bet it is much more than Amsoil spends.
But they are not marketed in the same way, nor are they distributed in the same way and then we have the issue of company size brought up again. Exxon-Mobil obviously has more money to budget for advertising.
Originally Posted By: lazaro
who owns the API American Petrolium Instite anyways? George Bush?
I was thinking beyond the simple API cert, like the ACEA stuff, the manufacturer-specific certs/approvals from CAT, CUMMINS, FORD, GM, HONDA......etc.
And I imagine that blenders DO spend more on chemicals than the companies that PRODUCE many of those chemicals "spend" on selling them back to themselves/another division of themselves.
If Exxon-Mobil sells Amsoil a base-stock, they are going to make a profit on it. If Exxon-Mobil sells it's Mobil 1 division a base-stock I would imagine the "profit" is substantially less.
Originally Posted By: lazaro
Amsoil Is world wide as well and not that small as you imply...
Exxon-Mobil's "money":
Market cap US $ 464.38 Billion (2008)
Revenue US $ 404.552 Billion (2007)
Operating income US $ 70.474 Billion (2007)
Net income US $ 40.610 Billion (2007)
Total assets US $ 242.082 Billion (2007)
Total equity US $ 121.762 Billion (2007)
I was not implying AMSOIL was "small" per se, but rather, Exxon-Mobil is HUGE.
will ask how much is spent Advertising M1?
I bet it is much more than Amsoil spends.
But they are not marketed in the same way, nor are they distributed in the same way and then we have the issue of company size brought up again. Exxon-Mobil obviously has more money to budget for advertising.
Originally Posted By: lazaro
who owns the API American Petrolium Instite anyways? George Bush?
I was thinking beyond the simple API cert, like the ACEA stuff, the manufacturer-specific certs/approvals from CAT, CUMMINS, FORD, GM, HONDA......etc.
And I imagine that blenders DO spend more on chemicals than the companies that PRODUCE many of those chemicals "spend" on selling them back to themselves/another division of themselves.
If Exxon-Mobil sells Amsoil a base-stock, they are going to make a profit on it. If Exxon-Mobil sells it's Mobil 1 division a base-stock I would imagine the "profit" is substantially less.
Originally Posted By: lazaro
Amsoil Is world wide as well and not that small as you imply...
Exxon-Mobil's "money":
Market cap US $ 464.38 Billion (2008)
Revenue US $ 404.552 Billion (2007)
Operating income US $ 70.474 Billion (2007)
Net income US $ 40.610 Billion (2007)
Total assets US $ 242.082 Billion (2007)
Total equity US $ 121.762 Billion (2007)
I was not implying AMSOIL was "small" per se, but rather, Exxon-Mobil is HUGE.
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I've always liked both M1 and Amsoil, for different reasons. Amsoil is one of the FEW ILM's I really like. Schaeffer's would be the other. Amsoil quality is very good.
Mobil 1 and engine noise? Eh...for every person that complains about that about a thousand others have no engine noise issues. Remember, Mobil 1 is factory fill in so many cars around the world and it represents 60% of the synthetic market. With that said, you will hear more about it than other oils. I've used it over the last 8 years and never had any engine noise with it.
I'm sure XOM is glad Amsoil is around. Since Castrol switched to Grp III years ago I'd guess that Amsoil is one of their biggest customers for PAO/Ester base oils.
It's my understanding that the dinner for the Amsoil convention was paid or by ExxonMobil Chemical??
Mobil 1 and engine noise? Eh...for every person that complains about that about a thousand others have no engine noise issues. Remember, Mobil 1 is factory fill in so many cars around the world and it represents 60% of the synthetic market. With that said, you will hear more about it than other oils. I've used it over the last 8 years and never had any engine noise with it.
I'm sure XOM is glad Amsoil is around. Since Castrol switched to Grp III years ago I'd guess that Amsoil is one of their biggest customers for PAO/Ester base oils.
It's my understanding that the dinner for the Amsoil convention was paid or by ExxonMobil Chemical??
Originally Posted By: Illusive
I might just end up going with Mobil 1 since that is what I'm running in my G35x right now. Just be easier to keep a few cases of 5W30 M1 instead of a few bottles of this and that.
Ah, so you did decide to go with a 20 grade.
-Dennis
I might just end up going with Mobil 1 since that is what I'm running in my G35x right now. Just be easier to keep a few cases of 5W30 M1 instead of a few bottles of this and that.
Ah, so you did decide to go with a 20 grade.
-Dennis
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
I was not implying AMSOIL was "small" per se, but rather, Exxon-Mobil is HUGE.
More reason to stay away from them in my opinion. We've seen that their only interest is their bottom line. Just look at their track record with not wanting to pay for their oil messes and the huge profits they made at our expense.
Besides, Mobil oil makes my engines noisy.
I was not implying AMSOIL was "small" per se, but rather, Exxon-Mobil is HUGE.
More reason to stay away from them in my opinion. We've seen that their only interest is their bottom line. Just look at their track record with not wanting to pay for their oil messes and the huge profits they made at our expense.
Besides, Mobil oil makes my engines noisy.
OVERKILL
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Originally Posted By: Bob The Builder
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
I was not implying AMSOIL was "small" per se, but rather, Exxon-Mobil is HUGE.
More reason to stay away from them in my opinion. We've seen that their only interest is their bottom line. Just look at their track record with not wanting to pay for their oil messes and the huge profits they made at our expense.
Besides, Mobil oil makes my engines noisy.
Well, Mobil doesn't make my junk noisy and it's the OE oil in so many high-end vehicles, I'm not too worried.
If big=bad, we should all stop buying Intel, Toyota, GM, Bendix, ASUS....etc.
I do not condemn a product based on the size of it's manufacturer. If anything, the sheer size and budget of Exxon-Mobil allows them to invest FAR more money into R&D than anyone else. Do they choose to do this? I don't know. But I DO know they spend ridiculous money on manufacturer approvals, certifications and fleet testing. Obviously, many people could care less about these things.... That's fine by me.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
I was not implying AMSOIL was "small" per se, but rather, Exxon-Mobil is HUGE.
More reason to stay away from them in my opinion. We've seen that their only interest is their bottom line. Just look at their track record with not wanting to pay for their oil messes and the huge profits they made at our expense.
Besides, Mobil oil makes my engines noisy.
Well, Mobil doesn't make my junk noisy and it's the OE oil in so many high-end vehicles, I'm not too worried.
If big=bad, we should all stop buying Intel, Toyota, GM, Bendix, ASUS....etc.
I do not condemn a product based on the size of it's manufacturer. If anything, the sheer size and budget of Exxon-Mobil allows them to invest FAR more money into R&D than anyone else. Do they choose to do this? I don't know. But I DO know they spend ridiculous money on manufacturer approvals, certifications and fleet testing. Obviously, many people could care less about these things.... That's fine by me.
I think XOM is a great company. They provide energy to our economy and pride themselves on making great synthetics. They also supply many other lubricant makers with additives and base oils. They are working with more OEM's than ever on synthetic lubricants and the list keeps growing. Only a company of that size could deliver a high quality oil globally.
Originally Posted By: buster
I think XOM is a great company. They provide energy to our economy and pride themselves on making great synthetics. They are working with more OEM's than ever on synthetic lubricants and the list keeps growing. Only a company of that size could deliver a high quality oil globally.
Who is posting under buster's I.D.? Some neo-con?
I think XOM is a great company. They provide energy to our economy and pride themselves on making great synthetics. They are working with more OEM's than ever on synthetic lubricants and the list keeps growing. Only a company of that size could deliver a high quality oil globally.
Who is posting under buster's I.D.? Some neo-con?
I would enjoy seeing a photo of your installation.
Originally Posted By: buster
LOL!! Neo-con? Far from it. I don't understand the hate towards XOM on here.
Me neither. And my occasional questioning of M1 has nothing to do with any issue with the company.
If one thinks that any large public company cares about anything other than the bottom line, they are being somewhat naive IMO.
LOL!! Neo-con? Far from it. I don't understand the hate towards XOM on here.
Me neither. And my occasional questioning of M1 has nothing to do with any issue with the company.
If one thinks that any large public company cares about anything other than the bottom line, they are being somewhat naive IMO.
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