What is going on with Toyota?

[Mewbs]

Yeah but any good engineer would have seen that was a high load/high stress point.

I mean do you think they knew that and said "6061 T4 will work" or even some combination, of engineers knowing.......but even bean counters would have seen that steel is cheaper (well should be) or ???? Maybe some static load Ax to derive some dynamic load........

This is the QE part of me - that I must know. What the heck was the root cause?

That is something we both can't see unless the specimen provided for closer examination to make an educated answer/guess. We know the documented driving conditions in the said video, we saw something that look like developed into a brittle failure mode.

Heck we don't even really know if the part is casted or forged. But say lets go with the crowd scene and assume its cast aluminum.
Alloys chosen differ greatly depending on the manufacturing process and post treatment. You have to know what went into making the part to know possible failure modes to occur for it's designed environment.

Computer models and Finite Element Analysis are very common in the automotive industry. Simulated load and deformation limits should have been spotted for design concerns.

 

[eljefino]

An interesting thing my buddy told me. New Camry has a prop rod after decades of hydraulic struts. I posted here and nobody cares about such things. Many said they prefer a rod. YouTube seems to agree with me, a sign of cheapness

Also, nobody seemed to agree with me on another forum that $600+ for a Corolla power window switch is nonsense. And it’s used even in Lexus.

I finally thought of a way to elaborate. If there were a contest where a person had to repeatedly put windows up and down to various exact positions, man alive would a Toyota owner want to jump out a 58th story window. Tactile feel is one thing it lacks, but the ability to precisely control the windows is another.

This is what I mean—this generation. List price $200 tops on a BMW.

Without reliability, it makes sense to get a less expensive vehicle and skip the expensive to maintain Toyota. The prices of parts are a comedy skit.

The hood prop rods vs struts seem like a thing that's been on higher trim lines for quite a while, are you comparing apples to apples, CEs to XLEs?

My 99 Camry needed an auto trans shifter cable, very common failure. OE part was $225 but an eBay knockoff is $25 and works fine. I hope by the time people need this power window switch, the aftermarket steps in and cheapens it.

My Prius power window switches signal a computer vs powering motors directly. The auto up/down features are configurable with Techstream. Configured mine so the drivers has auto down but no other doors do.

I have a Transit Connect for a work vehicle and the power window switches have somehow sunken into the door, and I need a drywall screw to hook them and fish them up and out to raise the glass. Not sure if this is a common problem, but it is a stupid one.

 

[Pablo]

I added struts to the Tacoma. Sweet mod.

 

[PWMDMD]

I have a hard time seeing their strategy of having the 4Runner and this Land Cruiser together on sale.

Well, they have a $13k difference in starting price and I’ll bet the with Land Cruiser-specific options it grows from there as you go up trim levels.

 

[SC Maintenance]

I have a hard time seeing their strategy of having the 4Runner and this Land Cruiser together on sale.

Its a bit convoluted in N. America for sure.

Land Cruiser in old times was more Jeep like but always quite expensive comparatively. Over the years its grown quite a bit. In N. America it was always really marketed as a luxury vehicle because that was the only segment that could bare the price.

4Runner is a N. America only and was originally a basic off road capable SUV, to achieve a needed price point for volume sales.

There much closer to each other now. I assume they sell both here because they can't kill the 4 Runner here - its historically popular. The Land Cruiser is really for other markets, but if they can sell a few here there likely happy.

At this point, neither is likely a consideration for most of the real off-road community -there too large and have too many gadgets. Mall crawlers excepted of course. Makes Ford's choice to build a Bronco even smarter it seems.

 

[John105]

The hood prop rods vs struts seem like a thing that's been on higher trim lines for quite a while, are you comparing apples to apples, CEs to XLEs?

My 99 Camry needed an auto trans shifter cable, very common failure. OE part was $225 but an eBay knockoff is $25 and works fine. I hope by the time people need this power window switch, the aftermarket steps in and cheapens it.

My Prius power window switches signal a computer vs powering motors directly. The auto up/down features are configurable with Techstream. Configured mine so the drivers has auto down but no other doors do.

I have a Transit Connect for a work vehicle and the power window switches have somehow sunken into the door, and I need a drywall screw to hook them and fish them up and out to raise the glass. Not sure if this is a common problem, but it is a stupid one.

On the LS430 power window switch--I bought 1 aftermarket for LS430, and 2 others for RX350, they are all identical physically, the specific LS430 is hard to find--0/3 worked although physically identical and could plug in. Windows did not work at all on any, door lock switch did. Panic did set in as the front pass switch was physically broken and the notion of spending $600+ was not pleasant. A lightbulb turned on and I used the plastic switches from the aftermarket, and the original electronics, redoing the plungers etc. It worked much better for a short while. Kind of like Devo, we can dance if we want to. But the tactile feel of this window switch is 0/10. It's a poor design. Mine is auto down/up on all 4 windows. Could very well be that if no auto, it's better, because that is less positions for the rocker switches. Other car cos also do full auto with 10/10 tactile feel.

I'm with the fellas just because I own one, I'm not going to defend the car co. if they could have done better on something.

 

[John105]

Its a bit convoluted in N. America for sure.

Land Cruiser in old times was more Jeep like but always quite expensive comparatively. Over the years its grown quite a bit. In N. America it was always really marketed as a luxury vehicle because that was the only segment that could bare the price.

4Runner is a N. America only and was originally a basic off road capable SUV, to achieve a needed price point for volume sales.

There much closer to each other now. I assume they sell both here because they can't kill the 4 Runner here - its historically popular. The Land Cruiser is really for other markets, but if they can sell a few here there likely happy.

At this point, neither is likely a consideration for most of the real off-road community -there too large and have too many gadgets. Mall crawlers excepted of course. Makes Ford's choice to build a Bronco even smarter it seems.

It would have been nice if the new Sequoia was even better than the last. It's astounding how little cargo capacity the new one has. Who wants to spend nearly six figures and have nearly the capacity of the CR-V? The real numbers are 87 and 76.5. The Sequoia is the same as the Pilot. The old Sequoia was 120. It lost 33 cu ft?

edit it does truly look outdated in 2024, and when I see the power window switches I'm doing a face plant

https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/5TDGY5B1XMS183467

 

[SC Maintenance]

It would have been nice if the new Sequoia was even better than the last. It's astounding how little cargo capacity the new one has. Who wants to spend nearly six figures and have nearly the capacity of the CR-V? The real numbers are 87 and 76.5. The Sequoia is the same as the Pilot. The old Sequoia was 120. It lost 33 cu ft?

edit it does truly look outdated in 2024, and when I see the power window switches I'm doing a face plant

https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/5TDGY5B1XMS183467

I get that. I like the new style Armada - its really a Australian Patrol, and the used ones have gotten pretty cheap - but it only has 50 cubic feet with the 3rd row folded down. Really not much.

However the 4-Runner / Land Cruiser were really more "marketed" as off road vehicles, not family haulers. A Wrangler unlimited has only 32.

 

[John105]

I get that. I like the new style Armada - its really a Australian Patrol, and the used ones have gotten pretty cheap - but it only has 50 cubic feet with the 3rd row folded down. Really not much.

However the 4-Runner / Land Cruiser were really more "marketed" as off road vehicles, not family haulers. A Wrangler unlimited has only 32.

Yep, the return of the live axle on the Sequoia shows off road was the priority…

 

[edyvw]

Well, they have a $13k difference in starting price and I’ll bet the with Land Cruiser-specific options it grows from there as you go up trim levels.

Yeah. My thinking is that people who liked LC200 will move to GX550. Now t sure where that leaves LC250. If interest rate is an indicator, it is not going well.

 

[edyvw]

It would have been nice if the new Sequoia was even better than the last. It's astounding how little cargo capacity the new one has. Who wants to spend nearly six figures and have nearly the capacity of the CR-V? The real numbers are 87 and 76.5. The Sequoia is the same as the Pilot. The old Sequoia was 120. It lost 33 cu ft?

edit it does truly look outdated in 2024, and when I see the power window switches I'm doing a face plant

https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/5TDGY5B1XMS183467

I am strictly going now after selling Atlas for 2018-2022 Sequoia and I think I memorized all those prices.
Sequoia prices depend A LOT on location. I mean you have 2018 with similar mileage having $10000 difference in price. That is if you are able shopping lower 48 like I am.
I just missed 2018 with 26,000 miles for $43,000. They are expensive, but it seems the longer new one is on the market, the old one is digging in with value.

The new one is a miss. It looks IMO fantastic, but other than real off road capability, it is actually really inferior vehicle. If off road is not priority, I would go BMW X7 if I could live with that much space. Better engine, better transmission, assembly.
Sequoia was aways family hauler! Period. It added decent off road capability and families who travel a lot and see some off roading appreciated that (like we do).
The new one is also a miss as all that clunky hybrid drive train didn’t yield that much in mpg. IMO, it is testimony to how poorly executed this 3.4TT is.
Still, I think if they kicked out hybrid part, they might be more popular bcs. added space. But, then, it is solid axle. Good for off roading, bad for third row space.
GM and Ford moved to independent suspension in the back in Expedition, Tahoe etc. bcs third row and they did it bcs. Sequoia 2nd generation had far more comfortable third row. Then Toyota went route that GM and Ford abandoned.

 

[NH73]

When my last truck turned 20 years old this year, a 2004 Ford Explorer Sport Trac, I decided it was time to replace it. I was all into getting the next generation Tacoma and a hybrid one at that yet. But they are slowly coming out and auto dealers only advertise those at sticker price. But that is the state of all mid size trucks now, while discounts are on full size. The more I shopped, the more I realized I could get a comparable Tundra just for a little more. But I also realized Tundra had their problems. I have a 2017 RAV4 Hybrid and love it, but wasn't going to give Toyota a pass because of that. Ended up going with a Ford F-150 Powerboost and love it so far. I figured Ford had their Ecoboost 3.5 figured out, over what seems like what Toyota copied to make their 3.4TT. The EPA rating is about the same on the Powerboost like what it is on the Tacoma iForce Max.

 

[Pablo]

Brother just bought

 

[Pablo]

Around $70K! Turbo 4, Hybrid. Says it rockets, and torque is monstrous. The man owns a Porsche Turbo 911, so......

In other investment accounts..........

Interweb says my Tacoma is worth around $32K trade it. That's without listing mods, which are of course worthless trade in. And probably not much to a prospective buyer, but what the heck. It doesn't have a scratch. Perfect working order.

Looking at GMC Canyon, fairly loaded $55K or so. I hate you guys, but this Toyota might rust away in the next 50-100 years so the clock is ticking!!

 

[SC Maintenance]

I am strictly going now after selling Atlas for 2018-2022 Sequoia and I think I memorized all those prices.
Sequoia prices depend A LOT on location. I mean you have 2018 with similar mileage having $10000 difference in price. That is if you are able shopping lower 48 like I am.
I just missed 2018 with 26,000 miles for $43,000. They are expensive, but it seems the longer new one is on the market, the old one is digging in with value.

The new one is a miss. It looks IMO fantastic, but other than real off road capability, it is actually really inferior vehicle. If off road is not priority, I would go BMW X7 if I could live with that much space. Better engine, better transmission, assembly.
Sequoia was aways family hauler! Period. It added decent off road capability and families who travel a lot and see some off roading appreciated that (like we do).
The new one is also a miss as all that clunky hybrid drive train didn’t yield that much in mpg. IMO, it is testimony to how poorly executed this 3.4TT is.
Still, I think if they kicked out hybrid part, they might be more popular bcs. added space. But, then, it is solid axle. Good for off roading, bad for third row space.
GM and Ford moved to independent suspension in the back in Expedition, Tahoe etc. bcs third row and they did it bcs. Sequoia 2nd generation had far more comfortable third row. Then Toyota went route that GM and Ford abandoned.

Seems to be a bit silly on a Sequoia to go solid axle. I mean are you really going hard core articulation on the family hauler? Don't get me wrong, I love me some off road, but its too big to get very far down any technical trail. Maybe in the desert?

 

[SC Maintenance]

Around $70K! Turbo 4, Hybrid. Says it rockets, and torque is monstrous. The man owns a Porsche Turbo 911, so......

In other investment accounts..........

Interweb says my Tacoma is worth around $32K trade it. That's without listing mods, which are of course worthless trade in. And probably not much to a prospective buyer, but what the heck. It doesn't have a scratch. Perfect working order.

Looking at GMC Canyon, fairly loaded $55K or so. I hate you guys, but this Toyota might rust away in the next 50-100 years so the clock is ticking!!

Get your taco wrapped in blue. Stick on a Amsoil logo. Write the whole wrap and log off on taxes (annual expense no?)

Problem solved.

 

[edyvw]

Seems to be a bit silly on a Sequoia to go solid axle. I mean are you really going hard core articulation on the family hauler? Don't get me wrong, I love me some off road, but its too big to get very far down any technical trail. Maybe in the desert?

Well I know, but that is what they did in 3rd generation.

 

[KrisZ]

Toyota will be fine IMO. I noticed Toyota owners don't mind spending $$$ to keep their Toyotas going and tend to brush off big expenses as bad luck.

Here is an example that popped in my feed. Second gen Sienna, so at least 14-15 years old and the owner drives 750 miles to this youtube mechanic, leaves the car for a week and flies back home, then has to fly again to pick up this minivan and drive it home 750 miles. And he's already spent a lot of money with his dealer chasing this issue.

Most people would have traded it in or sold it privately.

 

[John105]

Toyota will be fine IMO. I noticed Toyota owners don't mind spending $$$ to keep their Toyotas going and tend to brush off big expenses as bad luck.

Here is an example that popped in my feed. Second gen Sienna, so at least 14-15 years old and the owner drives 750 miles to this youtube mechanic, leaves the car for a week and flies back home, then has to fly again to pick up this minivan and drive it home 750 miles. And he's already spent a lot of money with his dealer chasing this issue.

Most people would have traded it in or sold it privately.

I didn’t watch the video but what would warrant going 750 miles…I do go 60 to the Japanese indie. Example in 2017 Lexus got $1800 for a timing belt and indie $950. Totally get indies do a better job. But if not convenient…

 

[KrisZ]

I didn’t watch the video but what would warrant going 750 miles…I do go 60 to the Japanese indie. Example in 2017 Lexus got $1800 for a timing belt and indie $950. Totally get indies do a better job. But if not convenient…

That car was randomly slamming on brakes and activating stability control during turns. His dealer could not find any issues and gave up. So instead of going to another mechanic, indy or dealer locally, he decided to go the youtube mechanic route.
The issue was a reman steering rack that his dealer installed a year ago.