What is going on with Toyota?
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Yes they do, but have had worse experience with MB and Opel
Don’t forget about those GT86’s/FR-S’s that blew up and Toyota denied the warranty on!
Which tests? Not familiar with Toyota cheating (on this continent). I know they had some issue with cheating in Japan.
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There are lots of things I can say, but not here in mixed company.
I have been driving GM stuff exclusively for almost 30 years and have not had the problems some people here have, however I now there are certain models that have problems. That is a common theme through out the auto industry. It is common in anything that is manufactured. I just did a set of brakes on a 2003 V6 Camry with 188,000 miles on it. It has had similar stuff done to it that has been done to my 05 Buick which is at 150,000. Except the Buick never required a water pump or timing belt. It did require an intake gasket. The Camry has had valve cover gaskets, fuel pump and various normal maintenance items to include an A/C compressor.
I guess what I am trying to say it has been going on for years with everything that is manufactured. I don't really think there is much to see here. They will get it figured out. Like anything it sucks because the customer has to wait for a fix and does not get to use the product they have paid for.
I have been driving GM stuff exclusively for almost 30 years and have not had the problems some people here have, however I now there are certain models that have problems. That is a common theme through out the auto industry. It is common in anything that is manufactured. I just did a set of brakes on a 2003 V6 Camry with 188,000 miles on it. It has had similar stuff done to it that has been done to my 05 Buick which is at 150,000. Except the Buick never required a water pump or timing belt. It did require an intake gasket. The Camry has had valve cover gaskets, fuel pump and various normal maintenance items to include an A/C compressor.
I guess what I am trying to say it has been going on for years with everything that is manufactured. I don't really think there is much to see here. They will get it figured out. Like anything it sucks because the customer has to wait for a fix and does not get to use the product they have paid for.
I agree with all of these posts. The Auto industry is going through a huge change right now not only with part manufacturers but with technology.
It's an interesting concept having an electric car that is really a rolling computer or make it even more complex by putting a ICE in the mix with all of the electronics. Something has got to take a back seat.
My observation is that the physical Hardware is getting lighter and more of a use it and throw it away attitude.
When everything is plastic and pressed sheet metal at best there is not going to be longevity especially in salty climates.
I've looked at Subaru go by the wayside fairly quickly in The Last 10 years in quality no offense to Subaru folks same with Toyota.
My other observation is all of these other third world Automotive contenders I won't mention all the names but they are continuously copying body styles from all of the top sellers to make people think they're getting something really cool!, but all it is is just a shell with a computer stuffed in it with a lot of censors trying to run a over complex CAN system.
Personally I'm pretty fed up with the automotive industry and their competitiveness to make these cars as autonomous as possible for the Goomba that can't drive a car and can't put his cell phone down.
I like technology like the next guy but really enough is enough they're moving a little bit too fast and can't keep up with the problems. And one last comment it also seems like the automotive oil industry is doing the same thing trying to hang on ! Really soon we'll have oil for "my car got bad gas"
"it needs a different viscosity!"
that's my two cents.
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It's an interesting concept having an electric car that is really a rolling computer or make it even more complex by putting a ICE in the mix with all of the electronics. Something has got to take a back seat.
My observation is that the physical Hardware is getting lighter and more of a use it and throw it away attitude.
When everything is plastic and pressed sheet metal at best there is not going to be longevity especially in salty climates.
I've looked at Subaru go by the wayside fairly quickly in The Last 10 years in quality no offense to Subaru folks same with Toyota.
My other observation is all of these other third world Automotive contenders I won't mention all the names but they are continuously copying body styles from all of the top sellers to make people think they're getting something really cool!, but all it is is just a shell with a computer stuffed in it with a lot of censors trying to run a over complex CAN system.
Personally I'm pretty fed up with the automotive industry and their competitiveness to make these cars as autonomous as possible for the Goomba that can't drive a car and can't put his cell phone down.
I like technology like the next guy but really enough is enough they're moving a little bit too fast and can't keep up with the problems. And one last comment it also seems like the automotive oil industry is doing the same thing trying to hang on ! Really soon we'll have oil for "my car got bad gas"
"it needs a different viscosity!"
that's my two cents.
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I'm kind of done with Toyota, but with that said they are still ahead of VW, Nissan, any Korean maker, Subie, any American maker........maybe same but different than Honda. Don't come at me with "those companies never had the problems Toyota has". Because while not the SAME problems, they all have problems.
So they are middle pack I guess. NO different than the past really.
I've said this before: Toyota relies too much on paper analysis. "Paper" is a geezer term. I'm sure they do some lab testing but how much hard field testing? Their margins are too close. OOPS!!
So they are middle pack I guess. NO different than the past really.
I've said this before: Toyota relies too much on paper analysis. "Paper" is a geezer term. I'm sure they do some lab testing but how much hard field testing? Their margins are too close. OOPS!!
I owned a couple Tacos in the 90's. They were pretty horrid back then too. I was just driving down my street hit a little bump and headlight fell out partially. Driving to work ignition starts acting up misfiring and crossfiring - back in the distributer and their crummy idea of skinny hard polymer jacked "spaghetti" ignition wires. Was that Denso or Hitachi?
Driving on route 3 highway in NH, and the rear end starts bouncing around like there were no shocks - almost spun out! I said to myself, "NO engineers are awake in California or where ever this jacked up 70's Corolla was designed. I did have the rears aired down a few psi to help - but no. Don't even ask me about the Auto trans one I owned later. I said again, "Does anyone drive this junk before they buy it? or do they just know NOTHING about cars and how they should function and drive?!" I guess the true nature is only adequately revealed throughout the first month of ownership
Driving on route 3 highway in NH, and the rear end starts bouncing around like there were no shocks - almost spun out! I said to myself, "NO engineers are awake in California or where ever this jacked up 70's Corolla was designed. I did have the rears aired down a few psi to help - but no. Don't even ask me about the Auto trans one I owned later. I said again, "Does anyone drive this junk before they buy it? or do they just know NOTHING about cars and how they should function and drive?!" I guess the true nature is only adequately revealed throughout the first month of ownership
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Toyota's reputation comes from mechanical reliability, not crappy brakes or handling. That is another can of worms, and safety-wise, especially active safety, or how not to get in an accident, it is really not a shiny example.
Next thing you know, they will be shipping their cars with freaking laser beams attached to the roof.
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This got me rolling.
When I bought my 1998 Nissan Maxima SE, brand new, I felt like I had arrived in life. It was a 5 spd with every available option except sunroof wind deflector.
I guess people still experience that same thrill when picking up a new Rogue or Sentra today.
For me it was a 2002 Nissan Maxima SE with the new 3.5L VQ and a sunroof (but no deflector)!
The 3.4 TTV6 is the same in the Landcruiser 300, Lexus LX 600, Lexus GX 550, Lexus LS 500, Tundra, and Sequoia. In some applications it's also paired with a Hybrid system.
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That's pathetic. Who are these Engineers that think that's an improved great design? Chintzy, brittle cast aluminum used in the top hat, is just STUPID. It looks like I'll be hanging on to my 5th gen 4Runner for awhile...
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Unfortunately Toyota appears to be going the route of making everything as cheap as possible so as to just get by much like the domestic makers have been doing for years. I have both a 2008 and 2017 Highlander in my fleet. The difference in the quality of the parts used in these cars is quite noticeable. The coating on various fasteners is one of the first things I noticed. Fasteners that are rusting on the 2017 still look like new on the 2008. The fit and finish of the body panels and interior parts is much nicer on the 2008. It would appear that Toyota has succumbed to the almighty profit margin over all else just like the majority of all the other manufacturers. I read somewhere that the documented quality and dependability of Toyota cars and trucks started going down when design and manufacture of many of the models moved to the US. The sophisticated technology used in modern cars also compromises the dependability which is biting Toyota in the rear end just like all other manufacturers.
It's not only that. They got caught cheating on crash test using different materials/parts and modified door panels. The modification must have consisted of an extra jack in the door side of cars that were to be tested in a side impact test. This is to avoid the door panel cracking open in a way that could cause sharp edges when the side airbag deploys, thereby injuring the occupants.
No, not on your continent, but crash test cheating from the Toyota.
I've never owned or driven any Toyota and have only ridden in Prius taxicabs here and there. So not the best to judge at all but I assumed Toyota was living on hype started by Consumer Reports or some other journal. Don't believe everything you read, hear or google. As a result people think: "it's a Toyota so it is better than anything else".
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