But perhaps the most significant element of EPA’s deregulatory flurry is the repeal of Biden-era vehicle emissions rules that critics argue effectively mandate electric vehicle adoption nationwide. The proposed changes would roll back what many in the automotive industry saw as impossibly strict emissions standards that would have forced rapid electrification of the vehicle market.
what happened to the million mile claims?
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The auto industry has said that every time cleaner air standards have came out. And yet some how they meet them.
They do. It’s only money. Thousands of dollars in cost for the manufacturer and the consumer while reliability goes down the toilet. While it’s possible that these updated emissions equipment are built by unconnected third parties, I very seriously doubt it. It’s how they get mandated by a government agency that has no legal enforcement authority on tailpipe emissions.
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OK. Back in the 70's dishonest people were siphoning gas. What's your point? Not using gasoline?
Glad it doesn't work that way .Many on here are so cheap that would give up ABS, and other safety features that make us all safer on the road, just to save so money.
The government has made vehicles inherently safer and better for breathing the air.
I'm not going in to my childhood story again-you can do a search-I grew up in So. Cal the air was filthy-now it's cleaner than it's ever been-despite the population and vehicles doubling.
So-yea-government regulation,.
Rules don’t apply to government trucks
. Factory deleted.How is it ok for government vehicles to be free of all emissions devices yet municipalities cannot remove such equipment? What happens if an ambulance has an emission component failure that renders it disabled with a critical patient?
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A fleet mechanic for the government came on here and stated this is not true.Rules don’t apply to government trucks
How is it ok for government vehicles to be free of all emissions devices yet municipalities cannot remove such equipment? What happens if an ambulance has an emission component failure that renders it disabled with a critical patient?
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Government vehicles are required to meet smog check requirements, similar to other vehicles. They must undergo inspections to ensure their emissions-control equipment is functioning properly. Government fleets are issued a BAR identification number known as a "BAR file number," which is required when inspecting government fleet vehicles.
You really think the government is going to advertise they don’t follow federal laws on a federally endorsed website? That is a first hand video of the person repairing the truck.
Id be curious if @bdcardinal has access to any information regarding ford part numbers for exhaust or block off plates.
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The point being you don't have alot of gas vehicles running around with delete equipment. Does the army have a few diesels that may be deleted. Maybe. But you don't have thousands of gas ones running around without pollution control. I don't know about you....but these days I have other things to worry about that what's under the hood of a government's black Suburban. Get some tin foil and have a nice day.
Thy aren't "junk" but they are 1) extraordinarily more complex, and 2) not given as much development time because there's always a new requirement to meet.
Contrast new engines with something like a small block Chrysler. Basic LA engine dates to the 1964 273. Stroke it to 318 in 1967 (the LA 318 was quite different from the A version, despite identical bore and stroke). Bore it out to 340 in 1968. Make a 360 truck version in 1971.
Go to a hydraulic roller cam in 1985. Switch to the "magnum" style heads in 1992.
Yes, there were camshaft changes, some heads had different valve sizes. Different carburetors came and went, it got fuel injection at some point, and so forth.
But it stayed in production until discontinues in 2003. Basically 40 years of development with only minor changes. One major round of emissions changes.
Contrast that with a modern engines, which are maybe only have a useful life of 5-10 years. An OEM has to go super fast to bring the product to market because of the short period of time over which you'll be allowed to sell it until it's regulated out of existence. It's launch-and-move-on. They won't be able to develop that engine to a finely polished gem because that takes time and money. And because it takes time, that means you need stability. Stability is sorely lacking in a regime where nothing is ever clean enough regardless of cost.
This is the best explanation I have ever read about this topic. And I know armies of engineers who have been doing battle with this exact reality.
Thanks a ton for posting it.
Sorry to have to be the one to inform you, but the crap on your vehicle is because we all breathe the same air. It's not a conspiracy against your personal interests in reliability.
The problem isn't that we have any kind of emissions rules. We need them and want them. That problem is that nobody is weighing the costs vs benefits of yet another increment of cleaner air.
There are many of us to who don't consider CO2 to be a pollutant whatsoever. Yet policy (that our elected reps never vote on) is to treat it like it's a poison and OMG WE MUST STOP EMITTING regardless what it costs in reliability and actual dollars.
The cummins L series is 43 years old and a new one will still drop a liner within warranty lol
I think the first camshaft I heard of getting chewed up was in an L10.