What happened to quality control?

[Jetronic]

Many folks today have no quality of workmanship. That goes for assembly line work or skilled work. People are just there to collect a pay check with very little effort. I see this every day.

but what if you as a worker notice the filters coming out like that, and adjust the machine, but aren't allowed to reject those already made? Someone will end up buying it (and it's got little to do with the operator) although the rest of the batch is a lot better.

But there's a lot of what you say going on. Maybe we need more OCD people....

 

[Jetronic]

Made in USA used to mean it was as quality product. Not so much any more.

I distinctly remember that you could buy crap made in usa aswell. It's just that those production lines were first to move overseas. Don't forget that shortly after Japanese products hit the US market they became better than domestic products, generally.

And have a look at the PQIA worst offenders, I bet you can find patriotic labels on the vast majority of those would be oils.

 

[Jetronic]

I was on the evening shift and QC of the filters - whether to toss the one above or box it - depended on which mngr was working that day, how many they made and how often the line had to shut down.

If anyone is in the dark as to why China kicks our ass in production watch the documentary American Factory.

I remember seeing an 80s movie about a car assembly factory that's getting bought up by the Japanese. it was disguised as a comedy but it hit close to the mark IMO. can't remember the name or who acted in it but I'm sure someone will know. The japanese tried to get it up to Japanese standards...

in other words, even in the 80s shoddy work and workmanship was a thing, and I'm sure that also goes for the Japanese or any other nation.

 

[Faawrenchbndr]

I am sure that you are kidding, but doubt very much that this is in spec on their documentation. While air filters last for some time and become more blocked as they age, but if you think about it, the design, shape and size of air cleaners and their housing, are precise and engineered. I like Fram products, and hope that this an isolated situation, but it's not good enough and I would use it only in a temporary or emergency situation!

No…..not really.

It’s their opinion or stance, not mine.
Every company has a standard for what is acceptable & what is not. The filter pictured is an example of the quality that they feel, at least at the time of production of that particular filter, is acceptable.

 

[TomYoung]

No…..not really.

It’s their opinion or stance, not mine.
Every company has a standard for what is acceptable & what is not. The filter pictured is an example of the quality that they feel, at least at the time of production of that particular filter, is acceptable.

Not exactly. It is possible that they would deem this filter "acceptable," but I think it is more likely that if inspected, it would be deemed unacceptable. Much more likely, I think, that someone or some folks were asleep at the switch and let this go through. They simply missed it. Just to support this position anecdotally and subjectively, I have undoubtedly replaced at least 300 air filters in my life, most in this square format, and I have never seen one in this state, and if I had done so, the filter would have gone back to Amazon or Walmart or whatever....

 

[Faawrenchbndr]

Not exactly. It is possible that they would deem this filter "acceptable," but I think it is more likely that if inspected, it would be deemed unacceptable. Much more likely, I think, that someone or some folks were asleep at the switch and let this go through. They simply missed it. Just to support this position anecdotally and subjectively, I have undoubtedly replaced at least 300 air filters in my life, most in this square format, and I have never seen one in this state, and if I had done so, the filter would have gone back to Amazon or Walmart or whatever....

ok…..you are welcome to your opinion.
I’ve worked in the aircraft industry for almost 40 years. I’ve seen parts put out by companies that have straight up. Said it’s good enough

Now that doesn’t mean I agree with it, but it is what it is. You can either take it or you can leave it, I really don’t care. But I’m telling you, somebody when this was made said it’s good enough.

 

[Glenda W.]

Air filters too now? First Brands QC at its finest.

 

[ctrcbob]

That’s what happens when you rely on Product Control, vice
Process Control.

 

[Zee09]

It's called Quantity Uncontrolled

 

[KenshinHimura]

I remember seeing an 80s movie about a car assembly factory that's getting bought up by the Japanese. it was disguised as a comedy but it hit close to the mark IMO. can't remember the name or who acted in it but I'm sure someone will know. The japanese tried to get it up to Japanese standards...

in other words, even in the 80s shoddy work and workmanship was a thing, and I'm sure that also goes for the Japanese or any other nation.

I think the movie was called Gung Ho

 

[Jetronic]

I think the movie was called Gung Ho

it was, just seen a 2 second clip and recognised it.

 

[Kira]

and I have never seen one in this state, and if I had done so, the filter would have gone back to Amazon or Walmart or whatever....

Also, retuning faulty goods is likely the best route to send a quality message upstream.
How effectively this message travels from a Walmart or Amazon vs. a LAPS who deals with a distributor is another question.

 

[ATex7239]

I hate what happened to Fram. They were my go to brand if not using OEM since the beginning. Reliable. Low cost. Made in the US. Find it anywhere. Now all I’d use is a cabin air filter. Sad.

 

[Faawrenchbndr]

I hate what happened to Fram. They were my go to brand if not using OEM since the beginning. Reliable. Low cost. Made in the US. Find it anywhere. Now all I’d use is a cabin air filter. Sad.

It’s really sad when the best oil filters are made in Vietnam

 

[OVERKILL]

I hate what happened to Fram. They were my go to brand if not using OEM since the beginning. Reliable. Low cost. Made in the US. Find it anywhere. Now all I’d use is a cabin air filter. Sad.

Worst Brands happened to them.

 

[Wheel]

That's awful, but it still got sold and people are still buying them. Guess you don't actually need to spend the money for QC people.
I'd call it restrictor plate driving.

 

[CKN]

While not cosmetically perfect-none of those things showing will affect the filtration.

 

[CKN]

Estimated 15 - 20% less air flow. Expect it would adversely impact vehicle performance but maybe a stealth way to save lives? Seriously, would definitely return or at least take a blade to the excess.

Your motor will never know, assuming your estimates are correct.

 

[Sumboodie]

Given the fact that air filters last 30K to 50K in the real world, the encumbrance that overflow causes is likely no big deal.
Granted, it does look carelessly trimmed.
Granted, it is emblematic of a sliver of today's workforce.

"America needs more work Americans are willing to put their name on", was the tag line of a poster from the '60's. Anyone remember it?
Affecting that need is a responsibility which spans top management to line worker.
It's really too bad "we're all" so seriously detached and effete.

30k to 50k?

Most mine are fairly well plugged by 500hrs.

 

[dubber09]

They had to kick QC out to make room for DEI as they couldn't coexist..
This hopefully changes soon.