What exactly is a "Living wage"?

In 1985 I bought a house like that on one salary...today it takes both husband and wife working to afford it. Whose fault is this?

My dad supported a family of 6 on an airline mechanic pay.

Imagine having 4 kids today, a stay at home mom, 2 cars and detached 3 bedroom house on 1 salary in 2023 ?

IMPOSSIBLE for the same A&P airline mechanic to do that today.
 
I don't expect a person with little or no experience, and possibly less than a high school graduate to be able to earn much more that the minimum wage. Very difficult to impossible to support a family, living quarters and food.
 
Best book that covers this topic that I've read is Naomi Wolf's No Logo. It's a little dated, but it's very good at describing the emergence of what she calls "McJobs" and the undermining of wages in the post war period.


That book is by Naomi Klein. I do know of Naomi Wolf though.
 
Tax dollars (payers) shouldn't be on the hook for somebody to have internet access....period.
But you are and that is not changing as it is defined as infrastructure now.

Does it irk you my mother law gets it free who lives under poverty line prettty much her whole life? Initially she qualified for $10/month service on Xfinity but able to apply for that to be covered.
 
Tax dollars (payers) shouldn't be on the hook for somebody to have internet access....period.
I see your point, but Internet access would likely be a great investment. Education, e-commerce, BITOG...
With the advent of AI, medical treatment access could open up and cost go down.

People seem to look at the cost, which is certainly important. I am a long term investor. Unless we greatly improve education, we are giving away the future to our enemies.
 
The inflation that has reared it's head in the last couple of years has basically hurt all Americans and yet we are not seeing any blame being assigned for it.....and there certainly is blame to go around for it.
That depends on which side of the deal you are on.
 
I don't know what the answer is. Min wage here won't cover rent,car,ins,food etc. We don't have public transportation to speak of.

Most places will only work an employee 32 hrs to get away from having to supply some sort of insurance for the employees.

The clown that got my cousin into trouble gets $22 an hour to flip burgers @ McDonald's and that's not enough to live on here. Much worse cost to live in critics area where houses are in the millions.
 
I see your point, but Internet access would likely be a great investment. Education, e-commerce, BITOG...
With the advent of AI, medical treatment access could open up and cost go down.

People seem to look at the cost, which is certainly important. I am a long term investor. Unless we greatly improve education, we are giving away the future to our enemies.
But all kinds of things could be offered as "free" that might be interpreted as an investment. Doesn't mean the HAVES should pay for the HAVE NOTS. With all the available jobs out there, no reason internet access should be "free". Some of the so-called poorest people I know have $500-$1200 smart phones. How does that happen?
 
But you are and that is not changing as it is defined as infrastructure now.

Does it irk you my mother law gets it free who lives under poverty line prettty much her whole life? Initially she qualified for $10/month service on Xfinity but able to apply for that to be covered.
The infrastructure for the internet is one thing.....but to provide smart phones/computers and "free" service is quite another. And no, it doesn't irk me if a business decides to provide discounted or "free" internet.
 
But all kinds of things could be offered as "free" that might be interpreted as an investment. Doesn't mean the HAVES should pay for the HAVE NOTS. With all the available jobs out there, no reason internet access should be "free". Some of the so-called poorest people I know have $500-$1200 smart phones. How does that happen?
The race to the bottom.
What do you think it costs for a "have not" to show up in an emergency room? This is the kind of cost I want to deal with.
The Internet holds the promise to open up education for many. We need educated people.

Regarding cell phones, you might ask them; I don't know. I imagine someone bought them for them.
There are no easy answers, but the Internet is, IMO, a good investment.
 
The people buying the house is at fault
No they are not, it is a matter of interest rate and monetary supply. This has been happening all over the world. When you increase money supply (print money, lower interest rate, same thing), those money will find a way to buy something with future return instead of just sit there. In theory it should help improve the economy but definitely a lot of them will come back as real estate and other asset inflation.

Before you blame the landlord, I can tell you the return of rental is LOW. Sometimes you can say it is even lower than putting the same money in the bank to collect interest from a CD. I think most landlord makes their money from hedge against inflation and rental income after mortgage can be near zero, definitely below CD interest if you have a mortgage.
 
Internet access is essential in modern life of United States. I am glad the government see it that way now. It can break anyone free and let Us economy thrive. An inexpensive smart phone may cover this need however without access you languish .
Nothing is essential as far as I am concerned except for those to find a way to provide it themselves. But to get to the core of life, food and shelter are the essentials one needs.
In the USA we provide that and luxuries like cell phones, emergency health care and internet.
No one has a right to any of this but as a country the taxpayers provide it which is fine you have your chance at life, the rest is up to you, sink or swim, swimming has never been easier in the history of mankind because of the United States of America

The answers are easy. It’s all up to you.
 
gets $22 an hour to flip burgers @ McDonald's and that's not enough to live on here.
Went to a NorthEast McD's last week, $28 for 3ea Filet of fish, 1 med fry, 1 med coke. There were multiple forms of tax on the receipt.

Just 4 years ago, that would have been $11 in Florida. $2 and change for each FoF, and 1 meal for $6 and change.

Any way you slice it, the $25/hr thing has doubled the price.

They advertise $25/Hr.
 
Before you blame the landlord, I can tell you the return of rental is LOW. Sometimes you can say it is even lower than putting the same money in the bank to collect interest from a CD. I think most landlord makes their money from hedge against inflation and rental income after mortgage can be near zero, definitely below CD interest if you have a mortgage.

Why take on all the financial risks and liabilities if rental return is LOW ?

I have to admit I don’t like the idea of being landlord due to all the laws that work against you and your property….. like the 3 year rent moratorium in California.
 
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Went to a NorthEast McD's last week, $28 for 3ea Filet of fish, 1 med fry, 1 med coke. There were multiple forms of tax on the receipt.

Just 4 years ago, that would have been $11 in Florida. $2 and change for each FoF, and 1 meal for $6 and change.

Any way you slice it, the $25/hr thing has doubled the price.

They advertise $25/Hr.
Yep....it's ridiculous.
 
Why take on all the financial risks and liabilities if rental return is LOW ?

I have to admit I don’t like the idea of being landlord due to all the laws that work against you and your property….. like the 3 year rent moratorium in California.
Some people like investment they can see and understand, some people just love the concept of being a landlord, some bought a new home but don't want to sell the old one for many reasons.

Large commercial development is different, they build for high end and charge for high end, nobody gets rich building affordable and charge affordable.
 
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