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What compares to M1 HM?
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compares in what way? I have had great success with pennzoil hm
Synpower Maxlife
Originally Posted By: Gebo
quality and performance ????
Gebo you are asking the questions here, he is just looking for more details so as to give you an actual answer. As your question sat initially, there can be an infinite amount of responses.
I have found here at bitog it is good to state the vehicle and past oci history in detail Then the present state and planned future maintenance schedules. This way the folks here will know what to best recommend.
quality and performance ????
Gebo you are asking the questions here, he is just looking for more details so as to give you an actual answer. As your question sat initially, there can be an infinite amount of responses.
I have found here at bitog it is good to state the vehicle and past oci history in detail Then the present state and planned future maintenance schedules. This way the folks here will know what to best recommend.
Nothing compares to it directly. It's thick and loaded but still something like the 5w30 is a good 30wt. Syn power Max Life is good but hard to compare directly imo
Originally Posted By: Jameson
Originally Posted By: Gebo
quality and performance ????
Gebo you are asking the questions here, he is just looking for more details so as to give you an actual answer. As your question sat initially, there can be an infinite amount of responses.
I have found here at bitog it is good to state the vehicle and past oci history in detail Then the present state and planned future maintenance schedules. This way the folks here will know what to best recommend.
I understand. I'm not referring to any particular vehicle. OCI is irrelevant to my question. All I want to know is does any body make an oil that is comparable to M1 HM? From what I have read, it seems like it is a unique oil. I'm not referring to any particular application. I'm not looking for a recommendation. I don't think Amsoil, Redline or Castrol have a product that is similar. Synpower Max Life looks to be the "closest" in formulation.
Originally Posted By: Gebo
quality and performance ????
Gebo you are asking the questions here, he is just looking for more details so as to give you an actual answer. As your question sat initially, there can be an infinite amount of responses.
I have found here at bitog it is good to state the vehicle and past oci history in detail Then the present state and planned future maintenance schedules. This way the folks here will know what to best recommend.
I understand. I'm not referring to any particular vehicle. OCI is irrelevant to my question. All I want to know is does any body make an oil that is comparable to M1 HM? From what I have read, it seems like it is a unique oil. I'm not referring to any particular application. I'm not looking for a recommendation. I don't think Amsoil, Redline or Castrol have a product that is similar. Synpower Max Life looks to be the "closest" in formulation.
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If your engine requires a hm oil then I assume its because its leaking. If so I suggest sticking with your favorite brand but add a can of motor oil saver. If it can't fix your leak then its beyond repair and requires replacement.
Maybe I haven't been clear and this will clear it up. I have no problem with any of my engines. I have no application I am even considering using any HM oil in. I'm just trying to learn. Don't misunderstand me, I don't want or need a recommendation. This reads harsh but it is not meant to be, ok?
I'm tired of pulling off spec sheets on different oils and comparing them to M1 HM. I am believing there are people here that can say which oils (if any) compare to M1 HM. This is simply an educational process for me.
I'm tired of pulling off spec sheets on different oils and comparing them to M1 HM. I am believing there are people here that can say which oils (if any) compare to M1 HM. This is simply an educational process for me.
Let's try this: mass market synthetic oils (Pennzoil, Valvoline, Castrol, Mobil, Kendall, etc) are all pretty much the same. Pennzoil Ultra and Amsoil have different, and some would say better, base stocks, but let's stick with the mass market oils for the time being.
These oils are pretty much the same in that their base oils are largely extra-refined crude oil and additive packs are similar. If you want to see how similar, go to the PQIA's website and look at their recent comparison of synthetics. There are variances: Valvoline tends to use sodium, some Mobil and Castrol products uses titanium, but they aren't that different.
So how is Mobil1 HM different from the rest? First, it likely contains more seal conditioners than the others to help with leaks. Second, it contains more phosphorous (in the form of ZDDP, I think), which is an anti-wear additive. You will note that M1 HM is rated API SL, not the current SN of others. This is because of the extra phosphorous. M1 HM also claims to clean very well - what component makes this possible, I don't know. M1 HM in a 5w30 is on the "thicker" side of the spectrum, to minimize oil consumption. Curiously, the 5w20 is on the "thinner" side. Go figure.
So, what oils compare to M1 HM? Accepting it isn't all that different from others to start, Valvoline MaxLife full synthetic seems comparable. Many of the blend HM oils have extra seal conditioners, but then they aren't full syns. Again, while M1 HM is a little different than most syns, these differences on on the margins: it's not a magic elixir. It's also priced the same as regular M1 at WalMart if that tells you anything.
These oils are pretty much the same in that their base oils are largely extra-refined crude oil and additive packs are similar. If you want to see how similar, go to the PQIA's website and look at their recent comparison of synthetics. There are variances: Valvoline tends to use sodium, some Mobil and Castrol products uses titanium, but they aren't that different.
So how is Mobil1 HM different from the rest? First, it likely contains more seal conditioners than the others to help with leaks. Second, it contains more phosphorous (in the form of ZDDP, I think), which is an anti-wear additive. You will note that M1 HM is rated API SL, not the current SN of others. This is because of the extra phosphorous. M1 HM also claims to clean very well - what component makes this possible, I don't know. M1 HM in a 5w30 is on the "thicker" side of the spectrum, to minimize oil consumption. Curiously, the 5w20 is on the "thinner" side. Go figure.
So, what oils compare to M1 HM? Accepting it isn't all that different from others to start, Valvoline MaxLife full synthetic seems comparable. Many of the blend HM oils have extra seal conditioners, but then they aren't full syns. Again, while M1 HM is a little different than most syns, these differences on on the margins: it's not a magic elixir. It's also priced the same as regular M1 at WalMart if that tells you anything.
Originally Posted By: Danh
Let's try this: mass market synthetic oils (Pennzoil, Valvoline, Castrol, Mobil, Kendall, etc) are all pretty much the same. Pennzoil Ultra and Amsoil have different, and some would say better, base stocks, but let's stick with the mass market oils for the time being.
These oils are pretty much the same in that their base oils are largely extra-refined crude oil and additive packs are similar. If you want to see how similar, go to the PQIA's website and look at their recent comparison of synthetics. There are variances: Valvoline tends to use sodium, some Mobil and Castrol products uses titanium, but they aren't that different.
So how is Mobil1 HM different from the rest? First, it likely contains more seal conditioners than the others to help with leaks. Second, it contains more phosphorous (in the form of ZDDP, I think), which is an anti-wear additive. You will note that M1 HM is rated API SL, not the current SN of others. This is because of the extra phosphorous. M1 HM also claims to clean very well - what component makes this possible, I don't know. M1 HM in a 5w30 is on the "thicker" side of the spectrum, to minimize oil consumption. Curiously, the 5w20 is on the "thinner" side. Go figure.
So, what oils compare to M1 HM? Accepting it isn't all that different from others to start, Valvoline MaxLife full synthetic seems comparable. Many of the blend HM oils have extra seal conditioners, but then they aren't full syns. Again, while M1 HM is a little different than most syns, these differences on on the margins: it's not a magic elixir. It's also priced the same as regular M1 at WalMart if that tells you anything.
A few things to add. Mobil only uses titanium in the mobil super line, not the mobil 1 line up. Castrol only uses titanium in Edge with Ti, edge with syntec does not use titanium. There are quite a few more differences than people think because most people just use a VOA/UOA to judge an oil which is only a small part of the picture. Most full synthetics are mostly group III like you mentioned but they also have some group IV or V depending on the oil manufacturer. M1 HM is also SL due to the Zinc and P. ZDDP is for zinc, not P.
Let's try this: mass market synthetic oils (Pennzoil, Valvoline, Castrol, Mobil, Kendall, etc) are all pretty much the same. Pennzoil Ultra and Amsoil have different, and some would say better, base stocks, but let's stick with the mass market oils for the time being.
These oils are pretty much the same in that their base oils are largely extra-refined crude oil and additive packs are similar. If you want to see how similar, go to the PQIA's website and look at their recent comparison of synthetics. There are variances: Valvoline tends to use sodium, some Mobil and Castrol products uses titanium, but they aren't that different.
So how is Mobil1 HM different from the rest? First, it likely contains more seal conditioners than the others to help with leaks. Second, it contains more phosphorous (in the form of ZDDP, I think), which is an anti-wear additive. You will note that M1 HM is rated API SL, not the current SN of others. This is because of the extra phosphorous. M1 HM also claims to clean very well - what component makes this possible, I don't know. M1 HM in a 5w30 is on the "thicker" side of the spectrum, to minimize oil consumption. Curiously, the 5w20 is on the "thinner" side. Go figure.
So, what oils compare to M1 HM? Accepting it isn't all that different from others to start, Valvoline MaxLife full synthetic seems comparable. Many of the blend HM oils have extra seal conditioners, but then they aren't full syns. Again, while M1 HM is a little different than most syns, these differences on on the margins: it's not a magic elixir. It's also priced the same as regular M1 at WalMart if that tells you anything.
A few things to add. Mobil only uses titanium in the mobil super line, not the mobil 1 line up. Castrol only uses titanium in Edge with Ti, edge with syntec does not use titanium. There are quite a few more differences than people think because most people just use a VOA/UOA to judge an oil which is only a small part of the picture. Most full synthetics are mostly group III like you mentioned but they also have some group IV or V depending on the oil manufacturer. M1 HM is also SL due to the Zinc and P. ZDDP is for zinc, not P.
Originally Posted By: volk06
Originally Posted By: Danh
Let's try this: mass market synthetic oils (Pennzoil, Valvoline, Castrol, Mobil, Kendall, etc) are all pretty much the same. Pennzoil Ultra and Amsoil have different, and some would say better, base stocks, but let's stick with the mass market oils for the time being.
These oils are pretty much the same in that their base oils are largely extra-refined crude oil and additive packs are similar. If you want to see how similar, go to the PQIA's website and look at their recent comparison of synthetics. There are variances: Valvoline tends to use sodium, some Mobil and Castrol products uses titanium, but they aren't that different.
So how is Mobil1 HM different from the rest? First, it likely contains more seal conditioners than the others to help with leaks. Second, it contains more phosphorous (in the form of ZDDP, I think), which is an anti-wear additive. You will note that M1 HM is rated API SL, not the current SN of others. This is because of the extra phosphorous. M1 HM also claims to clean very well - what component makIes this possible, I don't know. M1 HM in a 5w30 is on the "thicker" side of the spectrum, to minimize oil consumption. Curiously, the 5w20 is on the "thinner" side. Go figure.
So, what oils compare to M1 HM? Accepting it isn't all that different from others to start, Valvoline MaxLife full synthetic seems comparable. Many of the blend HM oils have extra seal conditioners, but then they aren't full syns. Again, while M1 HM is a little different than most syns, these differences on on the margins: it's not a magic elixir. It's also priced the same as regular M1 at WalMart if that tells you anything.
A few things to add. Mobil only uses titanium in the mobil super line, not the mobil 1 line up. Castrol only uses titanium in Edge with Ti, edge with syntec does not use titanium. There are quite a few more differences than people think because most people just use a VOA/UOA to judge an oil which is only a small part of the picture. Most full synthetics are mostly group III like you mentioned but they also have some group IV or V depending on the oil manufacturer. M1 HM is also SL due to the Zinc and P. ZDDP is for zinc, not P.
Splitting hairs here, but ZDDP = Zinc dialkyldithioPHOSPHATE, so I thought both zinc and phosphorous were present.
Originally Posted By: Danh
Let's try this: mass market synthetic oils (Pennzoil, Valvoline, Castrol, Mobil, Kendall, etc) are all pretty much the same. Pennzoil Ultra and Amsoil have different, and some would say better, base stocks, but let's stick with the mass market oils for the time being.
These oils are pretty much the same in that their base oils are largely extra-refined crude oil and additive packs are similar. If you want to see how similar, go to the PQIA's website and look at their recent comparison of synthetics. There are variances: Valvoline tends to use sodium, some Mobil and Castrol products uses titanium, but they aren't that different.
So how is Mobil1 HM different from the rest? First, it likely contains more seal conditioners than the others to help with leaks. Second, it contains more phosphorous (in the form of ZDDP, I think), which is an anti-wear additive. You will note that M1 HM is rated API SL, not the current SN of others. This is because of the extra phosphorous. M1 HM also claims to clean very well - what component makIes this possible, I don't know. M1 HM in a 5w30 is on the "thicker" side of the spectrum, to minimize oil consumption. Curiously, the 5w20 is on the "thinner" side. Go figure.
So, what oils compare to M1 HM? Accepting it isn't all that different from others to start, Valvoline MaxLife full synthetic seems comparable. Many of the blend HM oils have extra seal conditioners, but then they aren't full syns. Again, while M1 HM is a little different than most syns, these differences on on the margins: it's not a magic elixir. It's also priced the same as regular M1 at WalMart if that tells you anything.
A few things to add. Mobil only uses titanium in the mobil super line, not the mobil 1 line up. Castrol only uses titanium in Edge with Ti, edge with syntec does not use titanium. There are quite a few more differences than people think because most people just use a VOA/UOA to judge an oil which is only a small part of the picture. Most full synthetics are mostly group III like you mentioned but they also have some group IV or V depending on the oil manufacturer. M1 HM is also SL due to the Zinc and P. ZDDP is for zinc, not P.
Splitting hairs here, but ZDDP = Zinc dialkyldithioPHOSPHATE, so I thought both zinc and phosphorous were present.
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I wish there were more high mileage synthetics out there.
Valvoline recently thinned out their Maxlife oils and lowered the ZDDP (and are thus now SN/RC/GF5 and A1/A5)--before they were SN non-RC and A3.
If only there was PU HM! Or even Castrol Edge HM
Valvoline recently thinned out their Maxlife oils and lowered the ZDDP (and are thus now SN/RC/GF5 and A1/A5)--before they were SN non-RC and A3.
If only there was PU HM! Or even Castrol Edge HM
Originally Posted By: Danh
Originally Posted By: volk06
Originally Posted By: Danh
Let's try this: mass market synthetic oils (Pennzoil, Valvoline, Castrol, Mobil, Kendall, etc) are all pretty much the same. Pennzoil Ultra and Amsoil have different, and some would say better, base stocks, but let's stick with the mass market oils for the time being.
These oils are pretty much the same in that their base oils are largely extra-refined crude oil and additive packs are similar. If you want to see how similar, go to the PQIA's website and look at their recent comparison of synthetics. There are variances: Valvoline tends to use sodium, some Mobil and Castrol products uses titanium, but they aren't that different.
So how is Mobil1 HM different from the rest? First, it likely contains more seal conditioners than the others to help with leaks. Second, it contains more phosphorous (in the form of ZDDP, I think), which is an anti-wear additive. You will note that M1 HM is rated API SL, not the current SN of others. This is because of the extra phosphorous. M1 HM also claims to clean very well - what component makIes this possible, I don't know. M1 HM in a 5w30 is on the "thicker" side of the spectrum, to minimize oil consumption. Curiously, the 5w20 is on the "thinner" side. Go figure.
So, what oils compare to M1 HM? Accepting it isn't all that different from others to start, Valvoline MaxLife full synthetic seems comparable. Many of the blend HM oils have extra seal conditioners, but then they aren't full syns. Again, while M1 HM is a little different than most syns, these differences on on the margins: it's not a magic elixir. It's also priced the same as regular M1 at WalMart if that tells you anything.
A few things to add. Mobil only uses titanium in the mobil super line, not the mobil 1 line up. Castrol only uses titanium in Edge with Ti, edge with syntec does not use titanium. There are quite a few more differences than people think because most people just use a VOA/UOA to judge an oil which is only a small part of the picture. Most full synthetics are mostly group III like you mentioned but they also have some group IV or V depending on the oil manufacturer. M1 HM is also SL due to the Zinc and P. ZDDP is for zinc, not P.
Splitting hairs here, but ZDDP = Zinc dialkyldithioPHOSPHATE, so I thought both zinc and phosphorous were present.
Nope. Thats why all the ZDDP and P levels are different in oils. If they were the same additive.compound, all the zinc and p levels would be the same.
Originally Posted By: volk06
Originally Posted By: Danh
Let's try this: mass market synthetic oils (Pennzoil, Valvoline, Castrol, Mobil, Kendall, etc) are all pretty much the same. Pennzoil Ultra and Amsoil have different, and some would say better, base stocks, but let's stick with the mass market oils for the time being.
These oils are pretty much the same in that their base oils are largely extra-refined crude oil and additive packs are similar. If you want to see how similar, go to the PQIA's website and look at their recent comparison of synthetics. There are variances: Valvoline tends to use sodium, some Mobil and Castrol products uses titanium, but they aren't that different.
So how is Mobil1 HM different from the rest? First, it likely contains more seal conditioners than the others to help with leaks. Second, it contains more phosphorous (in the form of ZDDP, I think), which is an anti-wear additive. You will note that M1 HM is rated API SL, not the current SN of others. This is because of the extra phosphorous. M1 HM also claims to clean very well - what component makIes this possible, I don't know. M1 HM in a 5w30 is on the "thicker" side of the spectrum, to minimize oil consumption. Curiously, the 5w20 is on the "thinner" side. Go figure.
So, what oils compare to M1 HM? Accepting it isn't all that different from others to start, Valvoline MaxLife full synthetic seems comparable. Many of the blend HM oils have extra seal conditioners, but then they aren't full syns. Again, while M1 HM is a little different than most syns, these differences on on the margins: it's not a magic elixir. It's also priced the same as regular M1 at WalMart if that tells you anything.
A few things to add. Mobil only uses titanium in the mobil super line, not the mobil 1 line up. Castrol only uses titanium in Edge with Ti, edge with syntec does not use titanium. There are quite a few more differences than people think because most people just use a VOA/UOA to judge an oil which is only a small part of the picture. Most full synthetics are mostly group III like you mentioned but they also have some group IV or V depending on the oil manufacturer. M1 HM is also SL due to the Zinc and P. ZDDP is for zinc, not P.
Splitting hairs here, but ZDDP = Zinc dialkyldithioPHOSPHATE, so I thought both zinc and phosphorous were present.
Nope. Thats why all the ZDDP and P levels are different in oils. If they were the same additive.compound, all the zinc and p levels would be the same.
I've also noticed for full synthetic HM oils out, there is only M1 HM and Synpower Maxlife. All the other HM are either dino or synth blend. Not sure if that's what you mean to "comparable" HM full synthetic oil or if you're looking for detailed comparison, then Danh's post is pretty good.
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