A few years ago we saw them come out with the cartridge filters as an alternative to the canister. I always seem to get my cars after they're 10 years old so I have to ask if the cartridge filter was a phase the industry went through or is it now the standard?
What are new autos coming with?
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The Germans love cartridge filters.
Originally Posted By: dparm
The Germans love cartridge filters.
and gas spout on the passenger side
The Germans love cartridge filters.
and gas spout on the passenger side
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I like the spin-on filters.
I will not buy a new car that has a cartridge filter or if the gas spout on the passenger side.
At some point you may not have choice with the filter design. My 11 Genesis uses a cartridge filter, no metal at all. Must say I'm not at all impressed with the new Mahle made Hyundai cartridge, basically an ecore design (felt like endcaps/nylon center tube) and it costs over $10, ~$4 more than the older style with molded plastic/nylon endcaps. Fortunately I've found the latter design is still available with a different Hyundai application #, and the Wix aftermarket has that design too. No reason to pay more for less with the Mahle.
I prefer the spin on too, though, many cartridge filters like the Genesis are at the top, making access easier. The Toyota cartridge designs I've seen at the bottom, look whacked to service, almost Rube Goldbergian.
To answer the question, it appears the cartridge design is the trend.
I like the spin-on filters.
I will not buy a new car that has a cartridge filter or if the gas spout on the passenger side.
At some point you may not have choice with the filter design. My 11 Genesis uses a cartridge filter, no metal at all. Must say I'm not at all impressed with the new Mahle made Hyundai cartridge, basically an ecore design (felt like endcaps/nylon center tube) and it costs over $10, ~$4 more than the older style with molded plastic/nylon endcaps. Fortunately I've found the latter design is still available with a different Hyundai application #, and the Wix aftermarket has that design too. No reason to pay more for less with the Mahle.
I prefer the spin on too, though, many cartridge filters like the Genesis are at the top, making access easier. The Toyota cartridge designs I've seen at the bottom, look whacked to service, almost Rube Goldbergian.
To answer the question, it appears the cartridge design is the trend.
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Cartridge filters are NOT new. My 20 and 30 yo cars have them.
Passenger side fueling is an issue??!? Given the relatively lower number of cars with fuel filler on that side, it generally means lower wait in line at congested stations. And the walk around the car to the filler is good for everyone.
Passenger side fueling is an issue??!? Given the relatively lower number of cars with fuel filler on that side, it generally means lower wait in line at congested stations. And the walk around the car to the filler is good for everyone.
If I want an exercise experience I'll take a walk, thanks. Prefer the gas filler on the drivers side for convenience. And while congestion at the pump might be an issue in full self serve only NJ, never noticed any speed advantage to passenger side gas filler at self serve gas stations. Perhaps someone should conduct a scientific study to see whether drivers side or passenger side fill is quicker.
Also having to walk in front or back of ones vehicle increases the chances of being hit by an unobservant driver at the pumps.
As for cartridge filters not being new, true, had one on a Volvo 122S in the early 70's. I think the OP was referring to the apparent trend toward cartridge filters in vehicles/models that previously used a canister.
Also having to walk in front or back of ones vehicle increases the chances of being hit by an unobservant driver at the pumps.
As for cartridge filters not being new, true, had one on a Volvo 122S in the early 70's. I think the OP was referring to the apparent trend toward cartridge filters in vehicles/models that previously used a canister.
AFAIK, the original filters for a lot of cars were after market canister type weren't they? A lot of cars came with no filter at all for quite a while. Then cartridge filters became popular, then canister filters came along well into the history of engine oil filtering..at least thats my recollection of the way it went.
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Originally Posted By: zyxelenator
Originally Posted By: dparm
The Germans love cartridge filters.
and gas spout on the passenger side
I was just thinking the same thing, LOL!!
Originally Posted By: dparm
The Germans love cartridge filters.
and gas spout on the passenger side
I was just thinking the same thing, LOL!!
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Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
AFAIK, the original filters for a lot of cars were after market canister type weren't they? A lot of cars came with no filter at all for quite a while. Then cartridge filters became popular, then canister filters came along well into the history of engine oil filtering..at least thats my recollection of the way it went.
Yessir, our old Y-block Ford's had canister filters. My grandfather stockpiled Kralinator filters for them.
AFAIK, the original filters for a lot of cars were after market canister type weren't they? A lot of cars came with no filter at all for quite a while. Then cartridge filters became popular, then canister filters came along well into the history of engine oil filtering..at least thats my recollection of the way it went.
Yessir, our old Y-block Ford's had canister filters. My grandfather stockpiled Kralinator filters for them.
Hi,
all BMC A, B and C engines had "felt" cartridges in the 1950s - so did most cars of that era!
They also had a very narrow "O" ring seal. If the old one was not removed first and the filter installed with a new one it was a sure pressure leak that "toasted" many a good engine!!
Disposal is the trick word - I think we'll see a move back to catridges!
all BMC A, B and C engines had "felt" cartridges in the 1950s - so did most cars of that era!
They also had a very narrow "O" ring seal. If the old one was not removed first and the filter installed with a new one it was a sure pressure leak that "toasted" many a good engine!!
Disposal is the trick word - I think we'll see a move back to catridges!
Like them or not, they do have the advantage of not having to cut them open to inspect for particles, etc. In general I like the cartridge type filters...many are designed with less muss and fuss, especially on GM cars and trucks that have them. Some that I heard about on here that require special tools, or several steps to change from under the car must be a real pain to work with and I would hate them too!
I like spin on filters. On some engines its nice to be able to use an oversized filter to add some extra media area as well as oil capacity.
Back in the day most cars had no filter, so when they did start to hsve them they were cartridge type. Those of us that were involved in doing our own work hailed the spin on filter as the greatest thing ever. I think going back to cartridge type filters is a bunch of [censored].
Asfar as where the gas fill location is pls tell me your kidding-right? You like getting out of your car where it is possible to bang your door and to not check the back of your rig and this is a big deal for you. Get real.
Asfar as where the gas fill location is pls tell me your kidding-right? You like getting out of your car where it is possible to bang your door and to not check the back of your rig and this is a big deal for you. Get real.
The early 'cartridge' type filters were by pass filters. Only a small percentage of the oil flow through the engine went to the filter. They worked, but the spin-on full flow filters worked better.
The current crop of cartridge filters are full flow; they just don't have the 'can' around them now.
Even though they are cheaper to make, with no metal can, I suspect they aren't, or some won't be, any cheaper to buy.
the car I learned to drive with was a 56 Chevy. The stove bolt 6 had the add-on filter with a cartridge in it.
My first car was a 57 Plymouth. It had a cartridge filter but it was full flow. And yes, I did forget to remove the old "O" ring once. Wasn't the least funny at the time.
The current crop of cartridge filters are full flow; they just don't have the 'can' around them now.
Even though they are cheaper to make, with no metal can, I suspect they aren't, or some won't be, any cheaper to buy.
the car I learned to drive with was a 56 Chevy. The stove bolt 6 had the add-on filter with a cartridge in it.
My first car was a 57 Plymouth. It had a cartridge filter but it was full flow. And yes, I did forget to remove the old "O" ring once. Wasn't the least funny at the time.
I'll bet there will be kits available to convert the catridge filters to spin on filters. I'd buy one.
Why are we seeing more cartrige filters?? Going green in some way??
Why are we seeing more cartrige filters?? Going green in some way??
Funny how everything new is old. My 1959 Alfa Romeo had a full flow cartridge filter. My 1941 John Deere has a full flow cartridge filter.
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If you think having it on the other side is a pain...many of my older cars, including a long 77 New Yorker have it behind the license plate. On big cars its hard to find a spot in the middle dispenser you can fit into and reach with the hose, and Im always sticking out way too far on one end, or taking up half the space of the dispenser infront of me.
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I'll bet there will be kits available to convert the catridge filters to spin on filters. I'd buy one.
Why are we seeing more cartrige filters?? Going green in some way??
Did I hear someone say "cheaper"?
I'll bet there will be kits available to convert the catridge filters to spin on filters. I'd buy one.
Why are we seeing more cartrige filters?? Going green in some way??
Did I hear someone say "cheaper"?
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Also having to walk in front or back of ones vehicle increases the chances of being hit by an unobservant driver at the pumps.
Really?
When was the last time you were hit by an unobservant driver in a gas station? Are you sure you weren't also unobservant at that moment in time to not notice a car coming at you?
BC.
Also having to walk in front or back of ones vehicle increases the chances of being hit by an unobservant driver at the pumps.
Really?
When was the last time you were hit by an unobservant driver in a gas station? Are you sure you weren't also unobservant at that moment in time to not notice a car coming at you?
BC.
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