What a bunch of BEE S!!

[strombony]

Ok...so I'm bored at work and it humors me when motor oil web sites try to recomend an oil for you, so I was on Valvolines site and they chose Maxlife Full Syn for my van with 85k. Then they listed all the other ones they had and you could click on it and they would tell you why they dont recommend that oil for you vehicle. So I clicked on the Synpower and it said the followoing:

SynPower
Because your engine has over 75,000 miles, we did not recommend SynPower®. SynPower Full Synthetic motor oil delivers superior engine protection by fighting the 3 major causes of engine stress: heat, deposits and wear. SynPower delivers outstanding protection in extreme temperatures, superior cold start properties and superior deposit control, but it does not have MaxLife’s added ingredients that are designed to help fight the aging of critical engine parts.

The last line is what really got me, because isn't synthetic going to do just that? Fight the aging of engine parts?

 

[strombony]

One thing to add to this...when I was gonig through the checklist, I checked the bullet stating I have hauled heavy loads in the last year with my van. Is a van loaded down with 5 passengers and full of luggage in the back considered hauling a heavy load? Or do they mean hauling a heavy load as in a truck load of bricks or towing a boat?

 

[mpersell]

This is the concept of the high mileage oils I don't understand. If the additives are so good for high mileage engines, why the [censored] don't they put them in all the oils?

 

[Bryanccfshr]

That sight tries to upsell you for anything. I always get synthetic recomendations because it gets over 95° where I live. Regardless of what or how I drive in my zip code I always end up with the synthetic recomendation.

 

[strombony]

Originally Posted By: mpersell
This is the concept of the high mileage oils I don't understand. If the additives are so good for high mileage engines, why the [censored] don't they put them in all the oils?


I agree, it's all rediculous really. It seems that Pennzoil makes a better product, and I only say that based on the fact they really market the cleaning ability of all their oils. I've said it before, I'll say it again...I can't wait for the day that these HM oils are played out and perhaps peole will stop buying them. Then, maybe the oil companies will put seal additives in everything. Their marketing of Maxlife does more to turn me away from using it than anyting else.

 

[bullwinkle]

Valvoline automatically recommends MaxLife for anything over 75K, they make a decent oil, but it's usually more expensive than the competition unless "on sale".

 

[Gary Allan]

Quote:
but it does not have MaxLife’s added ingredients that are designed to help fight the aging of critical engine parts.


They're recommending HM oils that have seal conditioners.

 

[glennc]

Originally Posted By: strombony
The last line is what really got me, because isn't synthetic going to do just that? Fight the aging of engine parts?

No, not as far as I can tell. Look at UOAs. Synthetics do nothing to actually fight the aging of engine parts, if you define that as wear, that conventionals don't do. Here we have an oil manufacturer tacitly admitting that fact: instead of "upselling," as one reply implied, they have actually told you the truth IMO: that the best results for your engine might not come from the more expensive synthetic oil.

Synthetics are for extended drains and some extreme operating conditions, and they work very well, but conventionals control wear at least as well. So it seems very reasonable that a high mileage conventional might be better for your car than a synthetic.

 

[pickled]

The additive package is slightly important to...just ask the new sponsor LOL.

 

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: strombony



I agree, it's all rediculous really. It seems that Pennzoil makes a better product, and I only say that based on the fact they really market the cleaning ability of all their oils.

So one companies quote BEEEEEEEE ESSSSSSSSS marketing supercedes another's?

 

[vxcalais]

I just wanted some clarification, on the threads when conventional is mentioned, are you talking abot GRoup 1,2 and slightly more expensive Group 3, and Synthetic in meaning Group 4 and 5 oils ??? Or anything advertised as mineral versus anything advertised as synthetic wether a group 3.4.5 ? Thanks

Just helps to clear things up when reading advice and recommendations as mentioned on this thread and others.

 

[FrankN4]

The High mileage are really HDEO with, perhaps, prettier names. The add package of some have higher levels of ZDDP, up to 1000, and are rated SL rather than SM. Some have a much better HTHS than the regular oil, 3.09 regular-3.66 HM, so they are not energy conserving and don't get the star burst symbol. Some have a slightly heavier base oil, higher cSt at both 40C and 100C. If the High Mileage additives were used in the regular oils they would not meet SM and GF-4.

 

[vxcalais]

Originally Posted By: vxcalais
I just wanted some clarification, on the threads when conventional is mentioned, are you talking abot GRoup 1,2 and slightly more expensive Group 3, and Synthetic in meaning Group 4 and 5 oils ??? Or anything advertised as mineral versus anything advertised as synthetic wether a group 3.4.5 ? Thanks

Just helps to clear things up when reading advice and recommendations as mentioned on this thread and others.


^^^ Anyone ?

 

[FrankN4]

Group 1, 2, 2+ are spoken of as conventional. Group III, because of the process, is considered synthetic. Group IV is PAO synthetic and group V is ester synthetic.

Well known group III synthetics are Pennzoil Platinum, Valvoline Synpower, and Amsoil XL.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally Posted By: FrankN4
Group 1, 2, 2+ are spoken of as conventional. Group III, because of the process, is considered synthetic. Group IV is PAO synthetic and group V is ester synthetic.

Well known group III synthetics are Pennzoil Platinum, Valvoline Synpower, and Amsoil XL.
Amsoil XL is group III?

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: FrankN4
The High mileage are really HDEO with, perhaps, prettier names. The add package of some have higher levels of ZDDP, up to 1000, and are rated SL rather than SM. Some have a much better HTHS than the regular oil, 3.09 regular-3.66 HM, so they are not energy conserving and don't get the star burst symbol. Some have a slightly heavier base oil, higher cSt at both 40C and 100C. If the High Mileage additives were used in the regular oils they would not meet SM and GF-4.



They have seal conditioners not present in other oils. The viscosity moves them out of the starburst realm ..and the evolution of reduced additive levels moves them out of the SM spec.

That is, remove the requirement of reduced additives ..and you still won't get a starburst oil ..and (former) starburst oils can have the same additive level if not meeting SM.

 

[glennc]

Originally Posted By: vxcalais
I just wanted some clarification, on the threads when conventional is mentioned, are you talking abot GRoup 1,2 and slightly more expensive Group 3, and Synthetic in meaning Group 4 and 5 oils ??? Or anything advertised as mineral versus anything advertised as synthetic wether a group 3.4.5 ? Thanks

Just helps to clear things up when reading advice and recommendations as mentioned on this thread and others.

For my part I am talking about the current state of the art "conventional" oils, sold as conventional. Grp II/II+ or possibly Grp II/III with a larger proportion of Grp II.

I never thought to be curious about it, but is the Maxlife Blend not SM rated? Whatever it is, it is an excellent oil.

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: Throckmorton
Originally Posted By: FrankN4
Group 1, 2, 2+ are spoken of as conventional. Group III, because of the process, is considered synthetic. Group IV is PAO synthetic and group V is ester synthetic.

Well known group III synthetics are Pennzoil Platinum, Valvoline Synpower, and Amsoil XL.
Amsoil XL is group III?


Yep (and does better than most of the "full/true syn oils" out there)

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: glennc
Originally Posted By: strombony
The last line is what really got me, because isn't synthetic going to do just that? Fight the aging of engine parts?

No, not as far as I can tell. Look at UOAs. Synthetics do nothing to actually fight the aging of engine parts, if you define that as wear, that conventionals don't do. Here we have an oil manufacturer tacitly admitting that fact: instead of "upselling," as one reply implied, they have actually told you the truth IMO: that the best results for your engine might not come from the more expensive synthetic oil.

Synthetics are for extended drains and some extreme operating conditions, and they work very well, but conventionals control wear at least as well. So it seems very reasonable that a high mileage conventional might be better for your car than a synthetic.



Impossible Glen.

Every one KNOWS that Syn is better. PERIOD...

You can not expect a $20 UOA to show anything.

You get what you pay for!

"Pay me now or pay me later"

(Did I get everything covered?)

Bill

PS: I agree with Valvoline and you 100%.

But if the car is doing well, just run the regular oils. Forget the HM stuff if you don't need it.

 

[FrankN4]

I never thought to be curious about it, but is the Maxlife Blend not SM rated? Whatever it is, it is an excellent oil.
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The maxlife blend is SM rated but not GF-4.

The Maxlife full synthetic is SM, ACEA A3, but not GF-4. They are not considered energy conserving.