We leased a '23 Mach-E - too good to pass up

So basically you have the vehicle for three years at a cost of $20,135? That's 36 x $540 + $695.
I count the acquisition fee as part of the fees of buying regardless. I've never been able to worm my way out of it, at least in my part of the country, on a new, never titled vehicle.

There are wife parameters involved here, also.

The Outlander was her daily and we had it for 6 years. She wanted a new car, and she doesn't like used cars. I'm pretty much always going to have a car payment because my wife wants a new car often.

It was only due to the pandemic and not driving very much that I was able to get her to keep the Outlander for 6 years. It has been a very reliable vehicle and the lowest cost option would have been to keep it another 3 or 4 years but she was getting grumbly about it. The interior HVAC fan is starting to make noise, and it will need new brakes all the way around pretty soon. And we've been having TPMS issues with it since replacing the OEM tires, even after installing 4 brand new OEM TPMS sensors (expensive!). For my part, I don't trust the CVT long term, and it makes the car as enjoyable to drive from an acceleration standpoint as a warm stick of butter. So we got to the point that we both decided it was time to trade it in.

Another requirement my wife has is a power liftgate. She also likes the fancy sunroofs on all the EVs, which are acceptable to me as they don't seem to take up the same headroom space as the traditional opening sunroofs. So that eliminates most base model vehicles, in addition to the above parameters. She also wants dark leather, which maybe I could get her to live with black cloth, but it would be a struggle.

Happy wife, happy life. I set the budget at $600 per month max for a lease or outright purchase. We looked at leases and outright purchases on several competitive EV makes.

The closest on a lease was Tesla, on a Model Y RWD with zero options. But the wife wanted the fancy sunroof, so that's more. I didn't care for the unconventional controls on the Tesla, nor the fact that there were rattles coming from the back on a brand new car. And you have to order it, and it takes 5 weeks, I am accustomed to be able to drive it off the lot. I started a thread on here a while ago about the things that I didn't like about Tesla. I suppose that I could learn to live with the unconventional controls and lack of Android Auto and my music app. But the rattles really spoke to a lack of quality, at least in my mind, and on top of costing me more out of pocket for a lease, that kind of killed it.

I liked the Chevrolet Blazer, but the power liftgate is an "available" option on the LT trim, that the available LT vehicles on 3 different dealer lots didn't have. The RS trim makes it more expensive. It has really good range in the base model, but I wasn't going to spend the additional coin for the RS that I needed to get the features we wanted.

Wife wasn't willing to consider the ID.4 because my parents have one and we see them several times a week. Plus on the ID.4, if you want the bigger battery and the power liftgate, you have to get the Pro.S, which again is more. You can get the S model with the power liftgate with the standard battery, but the standard battery on the ID.4 is only 60 kWh and 206 miles to start with. The Pro has the bigger battery but not the liftgate. Could have leased a 23 Pro for $530/mo with nothing out of pocket after talking to the VW dealer, but, you have the liftgate issue again.

Didn't consider the Polestar, or the Vinfast which they don't sell here in Texas anyway, to my knowledge.

So we get to the Mach-E. Besides the fact that the '23s have big markdowns, there are also compelling lease bonuses to take the place of not having the tax credit, in fact it's $3000 more than the tax credit on a lease. The one that we leased has all the goodies. The standard battery is 70kWh, which is more acceptable that the 60kWh on the ID.4. I really didn't want the AWD, but as I said before, this was the least expensive Mach-E premium available for purchase or lease within 100 miles. So I accepted the AWD. The dealer also made the best trade in value we have seen from anyone on the Outlander. Wife is happy, I'm happy, let's take it home.

We can talk about the acquisition fees, or other fees, or taxes in my jurisdiction, etc, but the bottom line is the total capitialized cost with the lease rebate was less than other competitive makes base models. And we got more for our trade than at other B&M dealerships or the online places that I shopped on like KBB Instant Offer, Carmax, etc, etc. I also added in the $800 option to basically give it back in any condition, so that's another something that's in the monthly payment. Should I have paid for that up front? Maybe, but there are other issues in play here in that I'm not going to get into on a public forum. I've already given you guys way too much information anyway.

If the range figures for EVs are much better in 3 years for less money on a new unit, we will probably throw it back and get another. If we like it and want to keep it, the residual buyout is very reasonable, as in, you could not get close to buying a 3 year old Mach-E or Tesla unit today with similar options for what the buyout is at the end of the lease. Yes, that figured into the decision to accept the offer on this vehicle.

FWIW, I charged it to 100% overnight after getting it up to over 90% at a public charging station, and it has 230 miles range on the dash. I would have preferred the 250 mile range with the 70kWh battery with the RWD, but, I've looked at probably 10 possible long distance trips we could do with the car and it's all possible without using the Tesla supercharging network. I suppose another option for the AWD is that we could possibly take it to a cold weather destination like NM in the wintertime if we were very conservative about watching the charging, i.e., charge after arriving at the destination and before going to the hotel.

I ordered the Tesla Supercharging adapter for it the first day we had it home, but of course it's on back order. Apparently Tesla is manufacturing them for Ford, is what I gathered from the Mach-E forum that I joined.
 
What's the buyout value at the end? Sometimes that's a nice bonus if its below market value.
I don't want to give out too much information on a public forum and I've already done exactly that. But let's just say it's well below what you could buy a 3 year old Mach-E or Model Y for today in excellent condition and with similar options.

3 years from now, who knows.
 
I don't want to give out too much information on a public forum and I've already done exactly that. But let's just say it's well below what you could buy a 3 year old Mach-E or Model Y for today in excellent condition and with similar options.

3 years from now, who knows.
I respect your decision, but at the same time, I am not sure what you have to lose by disclosing that information.
 
I respect your decision, but at the same time, I am not sure what you have to lose by disclosing that information.
LOL. I think I've just reached my limit of disclosing information on this thread. I don't want to become OSINT vulnerable, which if you're not familar, you can find out where a person lives just by searching public info.

Ok, let's just say it's in the teens, and the 2nd digit is not a 9.
 
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Not sure why these things are not more popular as they are better looking than most EV's including the majority of Tesla's except maybe the model S.. The Ford is very well built according to Matt Farah (which you cannot say about the majority of U.S. built Tesla's but China built Tesla's are the highest quality from what I have read and watched) who just ended a lease and he did not have many negatives to say.

 
Yeah. But sure beats riding the city bus to work...
If I lived in a moderate climate like JeffKeryk, I could see doing a lot more stuff on my bicycle. But it's hot here, and distances are far.

FWIW, I have cycled through Los Gatos, in 2014, on a double metric ride. Was freezing my arse off the farther north I went on the peninsula, and then especially crossing the Dunbarton Bridge. In August.
 
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Not sure why these things are not more popular as they are better looking than most EV's including the majority of Tesla's except maybe the model S.. The Ford is very well built according to Matt Farah (which you cannot say about the majority of U.S. built Tesla's but China built Tesla's are the highest quality from what I have read and watched) who just ended a lease and he did not have many negatives to say.


Watched, even sent to my wife. Thanks. Ironically his car is exactly the config I originally wanted (RWD, extended battery) but I would not have wanted to pay what he paid for his. At least he can turn it back in, otherwise, he'd still be upside down most likely.
 
Sounds like pricing has come down significantly as it must to move the substantial national inventory.
You were in the right place at the right time on this.
It does sound like a very nice ride and I hope wife likes it and that it works out well for you both.
 
According to FORD Looks like a NEMA 14-50r will do it. You can set charging rate in your vehicle so you are not tripping or toasting the BATT. Of course there better be a big insert in your new FORD paperwork on charging infrastructure and req's.

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I must be missing something. Is it really giving you just 3 miles of range per hour at 120V, or 21 miles at 240V?

Does that mean it would take 10 hours at 240V to get your full range (assuming a fully discharged battery)?

Scott
 
My Mustang* Mach E is 2 1/2 years old now. Biggest cost by far is the insurance. Until very recently I have been charging it in the garage from a 120v outlet. I finally got my Ford charger fully connected. Now, it charge in just a few hours instead of all weekend every other weekend. I can charge it in off peak times and between solar and off peak, charging cost is insignificant. Because of a dumb Arizona law, my license was around $ 65 for five years.

Carrying capacity is great. Last summer I brought an 8 foot security screen door home from Lowes in Bullhead City in it. Biggest problem would have been the carbon monoxide from having the tailgate ajar and tied down, except electric.

I ran a 100 amp line from the main panel to a new sub panel in the garage and wired the Ford charger, my hybrid water heater and a 20 amp outlet to that. If I remember correctly, the 240 volt charger that came with the car requires a 50 amp circuit. I am pretty sure if you try to run it off the drier circuit you will just trip the breaker.

*Mine is a Mustang whether anyone else likes it or not. That especially goes for all those who have two seater glorified Pinto fake Mustangs.
 
Yes, for example overnight. This is why we also have public DC chargers which are way faster.
I understand DC fast chargers are hard on batteries. Also, public chargers are about 56 cents per kwh around here, compared to around 12 cents off peak at home. It is home charging that makes an E car pay, unless you can get free charging at work.
 
To those who asked: This is my wife's daily, although I will end up driving it quite a bit also. It's with her, not here to take pics right now. But I will at some point.

We left the dealership last night about an hour and a half after it closed, the cybersecurity deal mentioned elsewhere on BITOG affected the speed of our checkout. It was pitch black by the time we left and there are no pictures yet. They also promised us a better detail as the one it got was kind of half arse, so we need to go back for that.
I wonder how fast the charging difference is between the performance version and the regular Mach-E? Ford mentioned that there are two different battery chemistries.
 
I must be missing something. Is it really giving you just 3 miles of range per hour at 120V, or 21 miles at 240V?

Does that mean it would take 10 hours at 240V to get your full range (assuming a fully discharged battery)?

Scott
Probably something like that.
On 110v, our Model 3 gets 4 mph; on 220v it gets 28-30 mph. I know of people who get by on 110v, but they either don't drive much or charge at work for a subsidized rate or even free.
 
We leased a new 2023 Mach-E yesterday, it's a Premium AWD with just about every option under the sun except for the extended range battery. Been languishing on the lot since sometime last year.

Original sticker - $55,400
Dealer discount down to $44,600
Ford lease credit on all leftover 2023 Mach-E Premiums - another $10,500 off. They were previously offering a $7500 lease credit, but when they bumped it up to $10,500, we jumped.

It had more options than I even realized when we showed up at the dealer, like the Bang & Olufsen stereo, I'm seriously going to have to look at the Monroney label again to see everything that's on it. It kept surprising us going down the road with all the stuff that it has, like auto brights for example. Color is Vapor Blue, which was a new color for 2023. Yeah it's a kind of EV looking color, but it's really pretty in the sunlight as it's pearlescent metallic.

I originally didn't want an AWD with the standard battery because it puts the range in the mid-high 220s, but you know what, we don't go out of town very often. And the amount of public chargers is growing fast, plus, the Fords have access to some percentage of the Tesla network that is compatible. This was the least expensive 23 Premium, with the dealer markdown, available within 100 miles. So, it's fine. Another plus point is that several of the magazine reviews said they got more highway range out of the Mach-E than the EPA and Ford ratings stated, so, maybe that will be true in our case also.

And even though I wasn't looking for it, with the AWD it is gonzo fast. The salesperson said it was less than 4 seconds 0-60, but I wasn't about to find out with my wife and 8 year old in the car. It is fast enough even with moderate pedal pressure coming off a stoplight that all the other cars will be far, far behind you very quickly. I had to tell my wife on the test drive she was going 85 - I think in a 60 zone, haha.

Other thing that was originally desirable on our EV hunting list, although not a hard requirement - has an LFP battery, so no cobalt. Honestly I think this is a red herring issue anyway, but it will be nice to be able to retort to people who try to throw the cobalt mining issues in my face, and yes that has happened in real life, not just on social media.

There are some drawbacks to this car, the cabin and the cargo area are not as voluminous as say the Model Y and the ID.4, mostly noticeable in the backseat accommodations when big ol me is in the front seat (6'7", 320ish). But I was already tired of my wife trying to convince me all the time that we need to have only 3 row vehicles. I mean it is just the three of us, and we still have the Navigator (for now). It's also not as efficient in a mile per watt hour basis so far in driving it as compared to say my parents ID.4, but they bought theirs in 2022 when the demand was still really high and paid sticker at close to $50K. So I really can't complain too much, electricity is cheap at home (.13 per kwh) and cheaper on the ChargePoint chargers at my office in the parking garage (.10 per kwh).

The lease is for 3 years at 15K miles per year. The buyout is very reasonable, and I think we will probably do so unless something goes horribly awry during the lease period. I suppose you might ask why we just didn't buy it in the first place. We probably would have, but the $10,500 credit was only available on the lease, go figure. Maybe Ford figures they'll get a bunch of them back in 3 years and the market for EVs won't be so soft at that point. But I wasn't about to leave that money on the table just to "own" it.

Comments? Fire away...
So, how much does it cost you, out of pocket, to lease it for 36 months?
 
Wow, that seems really slow. Tesla's Superchargers are much faster than that, right?

Scott
I plugged in at San Bruno Blvd right off 280 on a 250 kW Supercharger. Ramped to almost 700 mph.
If I was at low SOC, I might get about 170 - 180 miles in 15 minutes on a 250 kW. Oc course a 72 or 150 kW would be slower...

I don't use Superchargers much; when I do I plug in for 10 minutes while grabbing a coffee, water, whatever. Then buzz on home.
 
Vehicles are never a good deal .
Depending on what you compare it to. If you compare apple to apple it can be a good deal or a bad deal, but it is a separate question from whether you should buy an apple or not and whether you can afford an apple or not.

Congrats to OP for a vehicle he likes. I wonder what is the buyout at the end of the lease. It could be a very good deal or it could be an ok deal. For a vehicle that may have uncertain future depreciation, leasing first then buy at the end of a lease is a safer choice.
 
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