waste spark design and twin tips?

[proveitwithdata]

working on an old 1zzfe pre vvti with a waste spark design. The old spark plugs are oe copper plugs, and the owner brought me some iridium denso twin tip design plugs. Not the same plug so i didnt want to install these. He pulled out the denso catalog and these are recommended by them, and are a fit according to RA as well.

Do these actually work?

For reference the ones in the engine, denso BKR5EKB-11.

The ones that were going to go in, denso 4701

 

[slacktide_bitog]

The iridium TT plugs are awesome. They will last a long time with no problems

Iridium will last much longer than those OE copper plugs

And it is very easy to change the plugs on a 1ZZ, so even if there was a problem, changing them is no big deal.

 

[2strokeNorthstar]

Plenty of people install different plugs than what come out. If they are compatible, install them. Denso TT are good plugs.

 

[proveitwithdata]

The iridium TT plugs are awesome. They will last a long time with no problems

Iridium will last much longer than those OE copper plugs

And it is very easy to change the plugs on a 1ZZ, so even if there was a problem, changing them is no big deal.

The durability isnt my concern, but rather the twin electrode requirement in a waste spark design. Im hearing these need the twin electrode to operate?

 

[kschachn]

The durability isnt my concern, but rather the twin electrode requirement in a waste spark design. Im hearing these need the twin electrode to operate?

No they will work but with significantly reduced life.

What plugs are listed in your owner's manual? My old 1MZ-FE with a waste spark system specifies platinum twin-tip plugs. They last at least 90,000 miles.

https://ngksparkplugs.com/en/resources/waste-spark-ignitions

 

[mk378]

Waste spark fires one of the plugs in each pair of cylinders with reversed polarity, causing the ground electrode to wear down instead of the center tip. Plugs that don't have platinum / iridium on the ground side wear out rapidly when fired reversed.

 

[proveitwithdata]

No they will work but with significantly reduced life.

What plugs are listed in your owner's manual? My old 1MZ-FE with a waste spark system specifies platinum twin-tip plugs. They last at least 90,000 miles.

https://ngksparkplugs.com/en/resources/waste-spark-ignitions

the ones listed and currently in the engine are the oe specd plugs according to the owner. They are the copper units.

twin tip platinum came in with the move to coil on plug designs on the 1zzfe

 

[kschachn]

the ones listed and currently in the engine are the oe specd plugs according to the owner. They are the copper units.

twin tip platinum came in with the move to coil on plug designs on the 1zzfe

I’d be a lot more interested in what the owner’s manual says rather than the owner.

And by the way they aren’t really copper they are likely nickel. Nearly all plugs have copper cores.

 

[Donald]

Aren't these the engines that have a left and right plug when the car is manufactured. But you cannot buy those plugs.

 

[proveitwithdata]

Aren't these the engines that have a left and right plug when the car is manufactured. But you cannot buy those plugs.

you mean

 

[SHOZ]

The twin tip Densos have an indium puck on both electrodes. Hence the twin tip. They are great plugs.

 

[ltslimjim]

I’m coming up on a plug change (100k intervals) and so far I’ve used the Long Life Iridiums (stock) of both the Denso and NGK brands.

I have considered trying the subject TT Iridiums as I was researching the NGK Ruthenium. Is it accurate to say that the NGK Ruthenium with Twin Tip is essentially the same design plug as the Denso TT only with a different precious metal?

Both claim to have the same mileage rating as the Long Life Iridiums; with the Denso TT claiming 100k and their Long Life being rated 80k-100k but is also more expensive.

Any reason not to run the twin tip design; as I can get either Denso or NGK cheaper than the LL of either brand this time around.

Didn’t want to start another thread on Ruthenium or Denso TT, but I’m curious if NGK basically made the Ruthenium as their TT offering?

 

[sw99]

I'm running the Denso TT's in the 2008 & 2009 Corolla's and the 2019 Yaris. They are pretty good plugs and I will continue to use them.

 

[ltslimjim]

I'm running the Denso TT's in the 2008 & 2009 Corolla's and the 2019 Yaris. They are pretty good plugs and I will continue to use them.

I’ll probably give them a try as they are way cheaper than the long life plugs right now. Ruthenium is cheaper than the long life, by a little, but these by Denso are much cheaper.