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This is not oil related but neither is "Cooling System Fluids & Additives" so this seems the best place to ask my question.

I am currently using +32 Peak windshield washer fluid. I do not want to use an alcohol based washer fluid because alcohol will attack the plastic washer nozzles and stop them up.

Is there any washer fluid that has an anti-freeze component except alcohol? The only alternative in winter is to drain the reservoir and lines to prevent them from freezing and possibly breaking the reservoir, pumps and lines. Then you will not have anything to wash away ice and snow.
 
I don't know much about washer fluid but I will ask the obvious question.

Millions of American motorists use alcohol-based fluid (I believe methyl alcohol is the main component of washer fluid) and don't have problems with their plastic washer nozzles or the rubber hoses carrying the fluid. Why do you think you will have a problem?

BTW, alcohol is sold in plastic bottles.
 
You are worrying about nothing. The nozzles are designed to use washer fluid. If you want to get away from washer fluids than goto a GM dealer and get Opticlean. I believe its in a quart bottle and you mix it as you please.
 
I use the orange "RainX" fluid that's available for $2 and change at your local Walmart. Been using that and other "alcohol-based" fluids for almost 30 years without incident. Life's too short.
 
I was riding with a friend who used an ammonia and water home mix for his pickup's wiper fluid. After we stopped at our destination, he pointed out the missing paint on the roof line above the windshield and wondered why it had been peeling away all those years.
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What bothers me more now is I have to pay attention to the bottle more. There's differences. It's like the evolutions in wiper blades. "Back in the day" there were just "wiper blades" ..now you have 12 varieties. I didn't notice the environment changing that much. I can also find +32 washer fluid ..which might as well be water ..it is blue.
 
Some washer fluids use glycol (antifreeze) in them, but not to a large extent. I can't imagine alcohol plugging your spray nozzles. Car manufacturers know that virtually all washer fluid has alcohol in it, I'd be very surprised if they built the system unable to handle that.

Plus... you're in Texas. You don't get cold. Relax.
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Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
What bothers me more now is I have to pay attention to the bottle more. There's differences. It's like the evolutions in wiper blades. "Back in the day" there were just "wiper blades" ..now you have 12 varieties. I didn't notice the environment changing that much. I can also find +32 washer fluid ..which might as well be water ..it is blue.


All we get is +32 washer fluid here.
 
No washer fluid with alcohol won't hurt the system.

I doubt any washer fluid has much glycol in it. It takes forever to evaporate. A good one has just a touch of glycol in it so when the alcohol in the tip evaporates, it concentrates the glycol enough to keep the tip from freezing.

I make my own using isopropyl alcohol. It doesn't evaporate so fast. About 2:1 water and 35% rubbing alcohol, a drop of detergent, and dribble of antifreeze.

If all you can buy freezes, just add a little more alcohol.
 
Geez, you guys, I just had to check the stuff I use year 'round. It's good to -35F, and contains methyl alcohol and ethylene glycol. It must be good, it's noted as being "highly poisonous".
 
I pay the $1.08 for Peak WW fluid at walmart. You believe autochains want $2 plus for the stuff? they do sell a "winter" formula in the winter for the same price. Be on the lookout for it.
 
I buy the bottles from NAPA. It works, does not freeze and hasnt damages my nozzles yet.
 
Most people don't keep a car more than 10 years so how would they know if methanol based windshield washer fluid will ruin a plastic w/s washer nozzle or not? Methanol will not ruin rubber and plastic parts overnight. It is going to be difficult for me to believe that there are plastic w/s wiper nozzles on any car that are still working after 15 years if methaol based w/s wiper solvent has been used for that period of time. I have a 1991 Chevrolet S10 Blazer 4x4 and I had to replace the center mounted w/s washer nozzle this summer because the previous owner of the car (my daughter) who lives in Seattle WA and used the GM recommended methanol based w/s solvent since she purchased the car new. She said the washer quit working six or seven years ago. For some strange reason, the Chevrolet Parts Department of GM still offers replacement plastic w/s wiper nozzles and plastic washer pumps for S10 Chevrolet Blazer as old as 1983.

The EPA Clean Air Act Volatile Organic Compound (VOL) restricts the sale of w/s washer solvents that contain more than a certain level of methanol. Due to scricter VOL laws, methanol based w/s wiper fluid is nearly outlawed completely (no more than 1% by volume) in California.

Yes, w/s washer anti-freeze is needed in Texas. FYI, Texas is not "blazing hot" as most people from "up-north" think. Texas gets as low as zero degrees F in some parts of the state and the state is large enough to have seven climate zones. Haven't you heard of the statment: "It is as cold as a well digger's [censored] in Amarillo" or "It is cold enough to bust a stump."

I have come to the conclusion that there are no non-methonol based anti-freeze w/s wiper fluids available. Use ethylene glycol or propyene glycol (Dexcool)radiator antifreeze in a w/s washer system and the w/s washer system will not last a month. The w/s wiper fluid in Californina is merely colored water as is +32 Peak w/s wiper fluid that I prevously purchased at Walmart. I got rid of that and now I use half a gallon of potable distilled water. Cannot use tap water because calcium deposits in tap water will stop up windshield washer nozzles faster than methanol. I suppose the new w/s wiper nozzles I installed will last at least as long as I can keep the S10 Blazer in running order. I purchased three extra four nozzles in case they are discontinued by GM Replacement Parts Division next week. As far as I know, Dorman is not reproducing them yet.
 
Dontov, I own three cars and the newest one is 14 years old. I've owned many cars in the past that have lived to a ripe old age. We use a lot of winter washer fluid up here. I've never seen any systematic problems with the washer systems on my cars or complaints from coworkers and friends.

It would be unconscienable for automotive engineers to use materials in the washer system that isn't compatible with popular washer fluids.

I hope your irrational fear isn't solely based on the one Blazer experience. I suspect the problem with the 17 year old Blazer was due to UV damage and not methanol.

I also suspect that the laws against methanol are in place because it's a toxin, and not because it has an adverse effect on washer materials. I don't allow methanol in our lab (we use ethanol) because it contacts our hands and is a cumulative toxin.
 
All I can say is I have a 94 Geo Metro, made of the lowest-cost components known to the auto industry, and I've never had the slightest problem with the washer nozzles. And I keep the 50% methanol winter stuff in there year-round. So I can say with some certainty that methanol should not be causing you any grief.

Is there a problem with the actual nozzle, or did the pump just stop working? It may not be related to the fluid itself.
 
The sprayers on my girlfriends sunfire always freeze up no matter what fluid I use in them.

I might go for the real pricey stuff this season.

Last year, I left a bottle of the +32 degree stuff in the trunk, solid as a brick..
 
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