Warning To All Ford Ecoboost Owners

[hattaresguy]

The original direct injection used on Mercedes was mechanical and did overfuel the engines. So the 2k mile oil change advice would be applicable to say a Gullwing, or an ME109...

The problem is as seen on this thread you get a lot of people that don't really know what they are talking about, going around and around about a problem that probably does exist but seems pretty minor. If you make millions of any product your going to get some interesting failures happening to a few of them. Than throw in Youtube and people that like trashing certain brands and are cheering for problems; hello internet amplification.

Anyway the most interesting point he made or Ford Engineering made was that chemical cleaners when run threw the motor were leading to turbo failures. This makes a lot of sense if you think about how these little motors are configured and has nothing to do with the way fuel is introduced into the cylinder. I bet as they age you will see a number of owner induced turbo failures.

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: MCompact
Originally Posted By: millerbl00
One major repair can ruin your lower operating cost and I don't see a big gain in MPG's.


Major repairs on my MS3: 0

Yes, 26-28 mpg from a car that runs 0-100 in under 13 seconds is pretty pathetic...

My old Grand Prix does the quarter in less than that and gets 28 MPG highway. I don't see what your bragging about, its not pathetic but its far from great.

Bigger car, bigger engine, no DI.

 

[MCompact]

Originally Posted By: Trav
My old Grand Prix does the quarter in less than that and gets 28 MPG highway. I don't see what your bragging about, its not pathetic but its far from great.

Bigger car, bigger engine, no DI.


WOW!!! Is your GP for sale? I desperately want a car that will absolutely rule instructor sessions at HPDEs!

 

[Trav]

Neither of them are for sale, i could never get back what i have in them.
They are just FWD grocery getters but they go okay for old GM V6's.

 

[Clevy]

I'm
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: MCompact
Originally Posted By: millerbl00
One major repair can ruin your lower operating cost and I don't see a big gain in MPG's.


Major repairs on my MS3: 0

Yes, 26-28 mpg from a car that runs 0-100 in under 13 seconds is pretty pathetic...

My old Grand Prix does the quarter in less than that and gets 28 MPG highway. I don't see what your bragging about, its not pathetic but its far from great.

Bigger car, bigger engine, no DI.



Can I play too?

My charger isn't much off the line but is hellafast once it gets moving. Weighs 4200 pounds and I've gotten 30+ on the highway without a headwind.
Oh. And it's an 06,so no new tech and the hemi is an easy 300000 mile motor.
And my 01 c3 is awd,has a tuned 6.0,pulls down 20+ mpg,leather heated seats and will do the quarter in 14 or 15 seconds.

 

[MCompact]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Neither of them are for sale, i could never get back what i have in them.
They are just FWD grocery getters but they go okay for old GM V6's.


Well, at least I still have the dream...

 

[Trav]

To listen to some of the guys defending it, it almost sounds like you cant have a quick car that gets good fuel economy without having DI.

I wish someone would explain why this almost $500K car has port FI.

http://otorepaircentr.blogspot.com/2014/02/2013-lamborghini-aventador-lp700-4.html

How about this bad boy, no holds barred and no expense whatsoever spared on this car, yet it uses Bosch EV14's.
Quote:
A special variant of the Bosch EV14 injection valve also features in the latest Bugatti Veyron model. This example shows that port fuel injection is also suitable for extremely powerful vehicles, and even for super sports cars.


DI will be mainstream at some point but its not for me at this point, i fact i would avoid it and thats okay because its my money.

 

[millerbl00]

Looks like I AINT the only one that believes old tech still has a place...

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: millerbl00
Looks like I AINT the only one that believes old tech still has a place...


You're not the only one. Many of us like some of the older tech, and prefer to see bugs worked out before jumping in on the latest and supposed to be greatest technology.

 

[Mykl]

Originally Posted By: Trav

My old Grand Prix does the quarter in less than that and gets 28 MPG highway. I don't see what your bragging about, its not pathetic but its far from great.

Bigger car, bigger engine, no DI.


Yeah, and LS1 equipped cars could top that, who cares and what does that have to do with anything?

Yes, you can put a big engine in something and if you tune it right it can get good fuel economy. But it still changes directions like it has a boat anchor on its nose. My Camry accelerates as swiftly as my GTI and while it doesn't handle too bad it certainly doesn't change directions or shed speed nearly as well.

His point was that his car has a lot of miles on it, it still performs well, and its doing just fine with none of the scary repairs people are warning of. If you want to stick with old cars, stick with old cars; nobody cares.

 

[MCompact]

Originally Posted By: hattaresguy

The problem is as seen on this thread you get a lot of people that don't really know what they are talking about, going around and around about a problem that probably does exist but seems pretty minor. If you make millions of any product your going to get some interesting failures happening to a few of them. Than throw in Youtube and people that like trashing certain brands and are cheering for problems; hello internet amplification.


Precisely.
The DI to port injected ratio ratio in my garage is currently 1 in 6; when I choose my next car the presence or lack of DI not will factor in to my decision at all. But having heard from all the "experts" I shudder to think what horrible misfortune will afflict my MS3...

 

[Trav]

I don't hang on to old tech when the new tech is proving itself superior.
Who wants a carb, points and condenser ignition, old oil filled coils, distributors, no ecm, on and on? I sure don't.

Bosch is coming out with some new port injectors that are a huge improvement over the earlier versions. Apparently Bosch doesn't see port injection going the way of the carb any time soon.

 

[hattaresguy]

Actually direct injection is the oldest tech, and Bosch is a company that helped develop it.

Port injection is cheaper and easier to make work. I suspect direct never took off because you need really good modern electronics to make it work as well as port injection does with so so ones.

 

[Trav]

Those are some profound thoughts. LOL
You say..
Originally Posted By: Mykl
Yeah, and LS1 equipped cars could top that, who cares and what does that have to do with anything?

Then go on about a GTI and a Camry. In your words who cares and what does that have to do with anything?
Originally Posted By: Mykl
His point was that his car has a lot of miles on it, it still performs well, and its doing just fine with none of the scary repairs people are warning of. If you want to stick with old cars, stick with old cars; nobody cares.

You must think either he or i are stupid or have some sort of comprehension problem.
Why do you feel the need to explain what someone else meant? What he said was clear enough.

Try this, interpret what i said to him, what he said to other posters then explain the whole thing to yourself. That way only your opinion is the one that counts. LOL

 

[hattaresguy]

Originally Posted By: Trav
To listen to some of the guys defending it, it almost sounds like you cant have a quick car that gets good fuel economy without having DI.

I wish someone would explain why this almost $500K car has port FI.

http://otorepaircentr.blogspot.com/2014/02/2013-lamborghini-aventador-lp700-4.html

How about this bad boy, no holds barred and no expense whatsoever spared on this car, yet it uses Bosch EV14's.
Quote:
A special variant of the Bosch EV14 injection valve also features in the latest Bugatti Veyron model. This example shows that port fuel injection is also suitable for extremely powerful vehicles, and even for super sports cars.


DI will be mainstream at some point but its not for me at this point, i fact i would avoid it and thats okay because its my money.




I wouldn't put Lambo on a pedestal as a tech company. Until VW bought them that would pretty much be a joke, even now their new V12 while spectacular isn't cutting edge.

At that level, McLaren and Ferrari are the tech companies. Zonda and Konessegegegegeggg are as far as carbon fiber goes.


Lambo makes really, really good automotive pornography.

 

[Mykl]

Originally Posted By: Trav
Those are some profound thoughts. LOL
You say..

Then go on about a GTI and a Camry. In your words who cares and what does that have to do with anything?

You must think either he or i are stupid or have some sort of comprehension problem.
Why do you feel the need to explain what someone else meant? What he said was clear enough.

Try this, interpret what i said to him, what he said to other posters then explain the whole thing to yourself. That way only your opinion is the one that counts. LOL


Uh, okay bud. For the record, I don't think MCompact is stupid or has comprehension issues.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
Actually direct injection is the oldest tech, and Bosch is a company that helped develop it.

Port injection is cheaper and easier to make work. I suspect direct never took off because you need really good modern electronics to make it work as well as port injection does with so so ones.



Nice picture, I like the contrast. Nice under the hood eye candy.

 

[Trav]

Then why do you think you have to explain his post? You must think i'm stupid. LOL

 

[Trav]

No comment on the Veyron?

 

[antiqueshell]

Just a reminder to everyone, FordTechMakuloco over on YouTUBE IS a real Ford certified dealership tech and works at a
busy shop with lots of service work.
If you bother to view his channel and watch his videos the guy is actually a really good tech, not the typical mechanics you might find. I only wish there were more guys like him in other
Dealership service departments because then I might patronize that store. LOL

I too have serious reservations with DI engines, at least most of them. While a limited few companies seem to have it figured out, most do not and I am not interested in being the beta tester for those companies. Even so I don't believe that even the better companies probably have certain engines that are still suspect.