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What 'bout China, they are exempt from it and over a billion people. That treaty was more about killing off the US economy and reducing us to a 3rd world country than protecting anything.
steve s-volcanos,what about cow farts (methane) i guess low carb diets should be controled next!
4 times the population of the U.S., with significantly lower CO2 emissions (although rising).
So per capita, they are performing at a quarter of the emissions of the U.S. and Australia.
They are predicted to exceed U.S. total emissions in 2025, so they need to do some serious work...but even then, it will be a quarter of the CO2 per head of population than our two countries.
Thankyou Mike!!!
Termites also, trees put out alot of gas .I trained my cows not to produce methane
Link to the largest producer of greenhouse gases in the Northwest.
http://www.fs.fed.us/gpnf/volcanocams/msh/
http://www.fs.fed.us/gpnf/volcanocams/msh/
Today its foggy, if you look at this at night the glow or blob of light in the top middle of the screen is the hot lava dome.
Too bad you can't train them to pump it into a tank for heating the house.quote:
Originally posted by Steve S:
I trained my cows not to produce methane
"All that is born must die" -Brahma
Shame all of us will be long gone by then unable to cruise our rides for eternity.
Shame all of us will be long gone by then unable to cruise our rides for eternity.
Been working on it.quote:
Originally posted by TallPaul:
Too bad you can't train them to pump it into a tank for heating the house.quote:
Originally posted by Steve S:
I trained my cows not to produce methane
Have you read the text of the Kyoto protocol? It omits the fastest growing segment of the world. China can produce all the greenhouse gases they wish. That and a country can drop out when ever they feel like it. Failure to abid by the rules by a member of the protocol results in a slap on the wrist. Its a useless pile of crap produced by tree huggers based on bad science. Russia is allowed to continue to produce the same amount of polution while we are supposed to cut ours by 7%. Plus it provides for a international market to sell polution credits from a clean nation to a country that polutes so they don't get a slap on the wrist.
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What is it anyway? Apathy or Ignorance? the kyoto conferance was very important to the future of the people following us. At the very least our leaders should have attended that conference they could have fallen asleep,farted,burped and insulted every one that dont live in houston and had a good old time. We pay these people to attend these functions ITS THERE JOB!
Hey guys! Cut the selfish crap out!
It is true that 99.5% of all C02 is emitted by the natural decay of living matter, you have to know that this 99.5% is "balanced" by the cycle of life and it is "stablized" over many decades, centuries, and million of years. Your 0.5% per year is the one that is non-renewable and act like an interest on top of your principle (think morgage). So if you are paying 6% morgage imagine what happen to the world in 500 years over a 0.5% interest of greenhouse gas. Imagine what happen if you do not pay your morgage over 500 years (at 0.5%).
Oh, and about China, India, Russia. It is true that they are not having as stright of an emission regulation as US, but they don't consume as much per capita. It is Bill Gate saying the tax law is not fair if he pay 20% tax rate and his staff paying 33% tax rate, but he pay a higher total amount of tax than his staff.
Do you think those arguments is fair? Seriously.
It is true that 99.5% of all C02 is emitted by the natural decay of living matter, you have to know that this 99.5% is "balanced" by the cycle of life and it is "stablized" over many decades, centuries, and million of years. Your 0.5% per year is the one that is non-renewable and act like an interest on top of your principle (think morgage). So if you are paying 6% morgage imagine what happen to the world in 500 years over a 0.5% interest of greenhouse gas. Imagine what happen if you do not pay your morgage over 500 years (at 0.5%).
Oh, and about China, India, Russia. It is true that they are not having as stright of an emission regulation as US, but they don't consume as much per capita. It is Bill Gate saying the tax law is not fair if he pay 20% tax rate and his staff paying 33% tax rate, but he pay a higher total amount of tax than his staff.
Do you think those arguments is fair? Seriously.
I'd like to see the price of fuel double what it is now. It wouldn't hurt me a bit but it would whipe out a lot of those big boats I see on the road and stop me from driving around for no reason. If my cost went from 40 to 80$ of diesel to travel 1000 km in my 92 VW diesel it wouldn't be a big deal at all. That's only an extra 800CDN to cover 20,000 km. The high price would also make biodeiesel available in a lot more places. Strictly enforcing a max speed of 90 km/hr except for passing would also save a lot of fuel.
As for Kyoto,
Refusing to do something because poor people can't afford to do it too is pretty sad. Are you going to ask the people to put photo voltaic cells on their straw huts or trade in their Ladas for hydrogen cars? This won't happen, they have to economically evolve just as we have. It takes time but look back to where we were 15 years ago, yeah, just back to 1990. We have come a long way since then. Then look back to 1900. That's where a lot of the world still is but with our help they can skip most of the development. They aren't even putting up telephone lines in a lot of countries. They are skipping from "pounding drums" right to cell phones.
Steve
As for Kyoto,
Refusing to do something because poor people can't afford to do it too is pretty sad. Are you going to ask the people to put photo voltaic cells on their straw huts or trade in their Ladas for hydrogen cars? This won't happen, they have to economically evolve just as we have. It takes time but look back to where we were 15 years ago, yeah, just back to 1990. We have come a long way since then. Then look back to 1900. That's where a lot of the world still is but with our help they can skip most of the development. They aren't even putting up telephone lines in a lot of countries. They are skipping from "pounding drums" right to cell phones.
Steve
Mexico has plenty of oil... It's not going to be too long till we ARE Mexico.
Jakebrake, that was funny!!
Jim Chin
HA HA
Jim Chin
HA HA
Why should CO2 emmission regulations be based per capita, why not on the basis of each country's land mass ability to absorb CO2?
That is, calculate the net CO2 absorption capability of a given country's land mass and divide that into the total CO2 production of that country.
On this basis the Europeans and Japanese are creating net CO2 per sq. km. of landmass at a much higher rate than the U.S.
The Kyoto treaty was a sucker play by the Europeans and Japanese.
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That is, calculate the net CO2 absorption capability of a given country's land mass and divide that into the total CO2 production of that country.
On this basis the Europeans and Japanese are creating net CO2 per sq. km. of landmass at a much higher rate than the U.S.
The Kyoto treaty was a sucker play by the Europeans and Japanese.
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