In lexus trim that 3.5 V6 puts out 306HP adn 277Lbs Ft. of torque. They de tune it for use in the Avolon and Camry. THey are afraid that if it had 306 HP inthe Toyota line up no one would bother to buy a Lexus with the same engine. I saw this type of think at GM too and I always thought it was stupid!
Ward's 10 Best Engines for 2007 at a glance
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Oh, it was a real piece of work!
Depends what best means.
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not sure why everyone is under the impression that american made cars are inferior to lets sat japanesse cars it's just not true car come down to hpw well you take care of your car, and basically cars are luck of the draw, some come out great other lemons,for every car a person says sucks there are a hundred that love it, my brother swears on honda yet his #@$%! civic lasted to 97k before a head blew....my ford escort on the other hand runs good at 225k [/quote ]
I think you have made a very accurate assessement of some of the real truths concerning all things automotive . Keep it in mind as you go through your automotive life and you will be ahead of the pack . I don't say that lightly , after 41 years of changing my own oil and 27 years of work in and around the automotive industry my conclusions are very similiar . At this point , I get to be a consumer/older car guy and at this point I have virtually no brand loyality , just the typical memories of the good and the bad and the ugly . Nobody has a lock on any of that . TBC.
My 5.7 liter Hemi makes the list again.Love that Hemi
I got the 4.6 ford motor in my stang and love it, it takes so well to bolt-on mods as well.
I also like the 3.5 VQ engine by nissan, to bad they can't make a transmission to match. ( at least in my maxima).
I also like the 3.5 VQ engine by nissan, to bad they can't make a transmission to match. ( at least in my maxima).
Who cares about Ward's? It doesn't have my Hyundai 1.6 DOHC 4 in there.
What does Ward's know, anyway?
What does Ward's know, anyway?
Honda/Acura plays (played) the same marketing/HP ratings game with the RL, TL, Odyssey, Pilot, and MDX, making sure there's a 5 HP margin with the same displacement engine. So does Nissan/Infiniti. I suppose in the marketing world, it makes sense to scale HP with price. It's still stupid, though.
I disagree with the list and here is why. THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION.
I belong to the minority of people that are much more impressed with an engine that is the product of excellent design and top quality materials. Horsepower and gimmicks are not as impressive as an engine's ability to get the job done day after day without even a whimper.
I think the 4.7 Toyota engine is far more impressive than a 4.6 Ford becouse of it's ability to run relentlessly on just about any oil and deliver super UOAs.Nobody has been able to test the limits of the 4.7's durability yet.
I think the 2.4 in 03-up Honda Accord is one of the best becouse besides being as smooth as alot of v-6 engines,it too has been so well designed that I can easily run 10K oil change intervals using a syn. BLEND and still get great UOA. lOOK AT THE uoa's for these 2.4s. People are getting incredible UOA running any oil in them. Those motors will be kickin it down the road 20years from now.
The 4.6 Ford already had chain issues and I just read in ENGINE BUILDER magazine that Ford decided to replace all the metal chain guides with plastic ones and now even the hydraulic chain tensioners are plastic. That is a complete lack of pride in the product you have built. Let's build an interference v-8 and then make all of the critical chain parts out of plastic
Anyone remember the old red-block Volvo motor?
How about the 300 straight six Ford killed?
Remember a beast called the slant six?
These motors are long since been out of production but people everywhere still have glowing memories of them becouse they all were designed to last till #@$%! froze over.
I think motors like the 4.7 Toyota, 2.4 Honda, 2.7 Toyota, 3.0 Nissan will also be added to people's lists of best engines after enough years pass for people to put 5-6 hundred thousand miles on them(trouble-free)
A 4.6 Ford as one of the ten best?
I belong to the minority of people that are much more impressed with an engine that is the product of excellent design and top quality materials. Horsepower and gimmicks are not as impressive as an engine's ability to get the job done day after day without even a whimper.
I think the 4.7 Toyota engine is far more impressive than a 4.6 Ford becouse of it's ability to run relentlessly on just about any oil and deliver super UOAs.Nobody has been able to test the limits of the 4.7's durability yet.
I think the 2.4 in 03-up Honda Accord is one of the best becouse besides being as smooth as alot of v-6 engines,it too has been so well designed that I can easily run 10K oil change intervals using a syn. BLEND and still get great UOA. lOOK AT THE uoa's for these 2.4s. People are getting incredible UOA running any oil in them. Those motors will be kickin it down the road 20years from now.
The 4.6 Ford already had chain issues and I just read in ENGINE BUILDER magazine that Ford decided to replace all the metal chain guides with plastic ones and now even the hydraulic chain tensioners are plastic. That is a complete lack of pride in the product you have built. Let's build an interference v-8 and then make all of the critical chain parts out of plastic
Anyone remember the old red-block Volvo motor?
How about the 300 straight six Ford killed?
Remember a beast called the slant six?
These motors are long since been out of production but people everywhere still have glowing memories of them becouse they all were designed to last till #@$%! froze over.
I think motors like the 4.7 Toyota, 2.4 Honda, 2.7 Toyota, 3.0 Nissan will also be added to people's lists of best engines after enough years pass for people to put 5-6 hundred thousand miles on them(trouble-free)
A 4.6 Ford as one of the ten best?
If we're talking about motors out of production, the 302.
Probably that 2.2L SOHC engine Chrysler used in just about everything in the 80s. It's only problem is that it leaked from the valve covers over time (and it had a #@$%! carb that never worked right with any amount of adjusting, but that's not the engine's fault...)
Probably that 2.2L SOHC engine Chrysler used in just about everything in the 80s. It's only problem is that it leaked from the valve covers over time (and it had a #@$%! carb that never worked right with any amount of adjusting, but that's not the engine's fault...)
I want to say that the 3.5L Dual VVT-i requires premium unleaded, as does most of the Toyota engine line with VVT-i.
The Hemi engine is smooth for what it is. I hear of a lot of people say that its underrated or not what they were expecting... that's because its quite a refined engine and its an OHV engine... 345hp on OHV.
The 4.6L, I can't explain why...
The VQ series, not surprised. Amazing engines!
The Toyota, smooth as silk.
I tend to agree with that. And leaving out the BMW V10 shows that they have not considered all options....it has won the European motor of the year two years in a row now.
This looks like a more reliable list:
http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4023213
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I disagree with the list and here is why. THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION.
I belong to the minority of people that are much more impressed with an engine that is the product of excellent design and top quality materials. Horsepower and gimmicks are not as impressive as an engine's ability to get the job done day after day without even a whimper.
I think the 4.7 Toyota engine is far more impressive than a 4.6 Ford becouse of it's ability to run relentlessly on just about any oil and deliver super UOAs.Nobody has been able to test the limits of the 4.7's durability yet.
I think the 2.4 in 03-up Honda Accord is one of the best becouse besides being as smooth as alot of v-6 engines,it too has been so well designed that I can easily run 10K oil change intervals using a syn. BLEND and still get great UOA. lOOK AT THE uoa's for these 2.4s. People are getting incredible UOA running any oil in them. Those motors will be kickin it down the road 20years from now.
The 4.6 Ford already had chain issues and I just read in ENGINE BUILDER magazine that Ford decided to replace all the metal chain guides with plastic ones and now even the hydraulic chain tensioners are plastic. That is a complete lack of pride in the product you have built. Let's build an interference v-8 and then make all of the critical chain parts out of plastic
Anyone remember the old red-block Volvo motor?
How about the 300 straight six Ford killed?
Remember a beast called the slant six?
These motors are long since been out of production but people everywhere still have glowing memories of them becouse they all were designed to last till #@$%! froze over.
I think motors like the 4.7 Toyota, 2.4 Honda, 2.7 Toyota, 3.0 Nissan will also be added to people's lists of best engines after enough years pass for people to put 5-6 hundred thousand miles on them(trouble-free)
A 4.6 Ford as one of the ten best?
For being such a bad design, it sure was in police cars for a long time.
Are you sure about that? From what I am reading, the Lincoln MKZ, which has the 35 Duratec engine and the 6F transmission that Ford developed with GM, gets 19 mpg city and 27 mpg highway. It does not look that impressive in comparison to the Toyota Avalon, which has similar horsepower and weight, as the Avalon's transmission is one speed less than the 6F, yet it manages to get 22 mpg city and 31 mpg highway, which are both 3-4 mpg better than the Lincoln MKZ.
From what I am reading, it is possible to use direct fuel injection and a variable length intake manifold to improve the fuel economy, so it might be possible for Ford to get 32 mpg highway fuel economy with the 35 Duratec engine, assuming that direct fuel injection and a variable length intake manifold are both used with it, but I am wondering if your statement of 32 mpg is a typo. If it is not, I would like some links, as it would be comforting to know that at least one American automobile manufacturer will beat Toyota in both fuel economy and horse power in the near future.
Here is what bugs me, now that we are turning this into a American vs Japan dealywhopper: I own a Honda and an overhead cam Chevy (2.4 VVT Ecotech). Both of these motors absolutly snarl when they are reved high. The problem is Car and Driver complements the Honda's exhaust not, whilst berating the 2.4 for its "thrash."
i've noticed alot of people trash talk Ford, i think are under the impression since they are losing millions of dollars and are falling quickly that they build inferior engines, this is not true, them losing money has to due with bad management, and business decsions,not lack of quality, the 4.6 is in there cause it's a stateof the art engine, If you look back the other years Ford is always in the top 10 Why?? well because they know how to build one heck of an engine!
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