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seems like many have high oil consumption + CVT's just stink!!! used because they are cheaper to manufacture, as usual!!! most people do NOT need AWD + the slush boxes are 90% FWD until is sense slipping + abruptly activates the rear drive, manual trannied cars are better being 50-50 unless newer models changed + good luck on the fairly new DI now being used. in 2001 i tested an impreza outback, then drove + bought a vw jetta which felt like a caddy comparatively IMO!!!!!
Originally Posted By: benjy
seems like many have high oil consumption + CVT's just stink!!! used because they are cheaper to manufacture, as usual!!! most people do NOT need AWD + the slush boxes are 90% FWD until is sense slipping + abruptly activates the rear drive, manual trannied cars are better being 50-50 unless newer models changed + good luck on the fairly new DI now being used. in 2001 i tested an impreza outback, then drove + bought a vw jetta which felt like a caddy comparatively IMO!!!!!
CVT works pretty well in Subaru and achieves some decent MPG for a AWD vehicle IF you drive one. Less about cost cutting and more trying to get decent MPG. 2001 Impreza was terrible and dated back into 1996 vintage in design. Fast forward to 2000's they have mainstreamed their cars and are a contender in sales for certain segments. They also inspired other car makers to follow suit with Outback, Forester concept and now even the mad selling CrossTrek.
At the same time VW seems to have run itself aground with the American market but their Americanized SUV's (Atlas/Tiguan) is a good start along with Alltrack wagon and GTI.
My wife had a 2005 Subaru Legacy turbo wagon too long(230k miles/13years) and it was an absolute hoot. The new Subaru did not appeal to her either but to many they check a lot of boxes it seems with current buyers.
seems like many have high oil consumption + CVT's just stink!!! used because they are cheaper to manufacture, as usual!!! most people do NOT need AWD + the slush boxes are 90% FWD until is sense slipping + abruptly activates the rear drive, manual trannied cars are better being 50-50 unless newer models changed + good luck on the fairly new DI now being used. in 2001 i tested an impreza outback, then drove + bought a vw jetta which felt like a caddy comparatively IMO!!!!!
CVT works pretty well in Subaru and achieves some decent MPG for a AWD vehicle IF you drive one. Less about cost cutting and more trying to get decent MPG. 2001 Impreza was terrible and dated back into 1996 vintage in design. Fast forward to 2000's they have mainstreamed their cars and are a contender in sales for certain segments. They also inspired other car makers to follow suit with Outback, Forester concept and now even the mad selling CrossTrek.
At the same time VW seems to have run itself aground with the American market but their Americanized SUV's (Atlas/Tiguan) is a good start along with Alltrack wagon and GTI.
My wife had a 2005 Subaru Legacy turbo wagon too long(230k miles/13years) and it was an absolute hoot. The new Subaru did not appeal to her either but to many they check a lot of boxes it seems with current buyers.
Originally Posted By: dblshock
ya a Subie is not all together like a Mitsubishi, Isisu and Datson not even close to a Toyota engineering....maybe some day.
Mitsubishi, Isisu and Datson all companies to aspire too. All out or nearly out of business in US auto market.....
ya a Subie is not all together like a Mitsubishi, Isisu and Datson not even close to a Toyota engineering....maybe some day.
Mitsubishi, Isisu and Datson all companies to aspire too. All out or nearly out of business in US auto market.....
Originally Posted By: benjy
seems like many have high oil consumption + CVT's just stink!!! used because they are cheaper to manufacture, as usual!!! most people do NOT need AWD + the slush boxes are 90% FWD until is sense slipping + abruptly activates the rear drive, manual trannied cars are better being 50-50 unless newer models changed + good luck on the fairly new DI now being used. in 2001 i tested an impreza outback, then drove + bought a vw jetta which felt like a caddy comparatively IMO!!!!!
Lot of negativity here. Subaru had an oil consumption in 10 of vehicles with the FB engine for 2 years. Only one engine for a period of 2 years. CVT is the best transmission going. Subaru is Biased to front wheel drive but can transfer over 50% to front or rear. Only Audi might have a better AWD system.
Believe it a lot has changed since 2001..lol.
seems like many have high oil consumption + CVT's just stink!!! used because they are cheaper to manufacture, as usual!!! most people do NOT need AWD + the slush boxes are 90% FWD until is sense slipping + abruptly activates the rear drive, manual trannied cars are better being 50-50 unless newer models changed + good luck on the fairly new DI now being used. in 2001 i tested an impreza outback, then drove + bought a vw jetta which felt like a caddy comparatively IMO!!!!!
Lot of negativity here. Subaru had an oil consumption in 10 of vehicles with the FB engine for 2 years. Only one engine for a period of 2 years. CVT is the best transmission going. Subaru is Biased to front wheel drive but can transfer over 50% to front or rear. Only Audi might have a better AWD system.
Believe it a lot has changed since 2001..lol.
Originally Posted By: dblshock
ya a Subie is not all together like a Mitsubishi, Isisu and Datson not even close to a Toyota engineering....maybe some day.
Were you mocking another poster or did you take your own advice on having a couple of bourbons?
To the OP, I've had the same thought.
I could pass my '12 Accord on to one of my sons and buy a new Outback for me.
I like the Forester as well, but the Outback uses the same AWD system on a larger platform and can be bought for less money.
Fuel economy in actual use would be better than what I see with the Accord and ride compliance is far superior in the Subaru.
I also actually like our newer Forester's CVT over the Accord's five speed auto.
A bonus is that oil changes are stupid easy with just about any Subie.
In terms of durability and reliability, the basic guts of a Subaru seem as good as what you'd find in anything else.
We've owned nine Hondas to date and four Subarus. The Hondas are probably a little better, but nothing that would be life or wallet changing.
You're tired of shifting and want an Outback?
Why not?
The fuel economy alone will be a revelation over what you see with your Forester, and I write that in light of our two Foresters.
The '09 sucks while the '17 is remarkably abstemious.
Don't forget the world-class AWD setup, not found in any Honda.
ya a Subie is not all together like a Mitsubishi, Isisu and Datson not even close to a Toyota engineering....maybe some day.
Were you mocking another poster or did you take your own advice on having a couple of bourbons?
To the OP, I've had the same thought.
I could pass my '12 Accord on to one of my sons and buy a new Outback for me.
I like the Forester as well, but the Outback uses the same AWD system on a larger platform and can be bought for less money.
Fuel economy in actual use would be better than what I see with the Accord and ride compliance is far superior in the Subaru.
I also actually like our newer Forester's CVT over the Accord's five speed auto.
A bonus is that oil changes are stupid easy with just about any Subie.
In terms of durability and reliability, the basic guts of a Subaru seem as good as what you'd find in anything else.
We've owned nine Hondas to date and four Subarus. The Hondas are probably a little better, but nothing that would be life or wallet changing.
You're tired of shifting and want an Outback?
Why not?
The fuel economy alone will be a revelation over what you see with your Forester, and I write that in light of our two Foresters.
The '09 sucks while the '17 is remarkably abstemious.
Don't forget the world-class AWD setup, not found in any Honda.
Originally Posted By: Al
Subaru is Biased to front wheel drive but can transfer over 50% to front or rear.
It depends on the particular model of the transmission. I believe all current automatic Subarus start at 60/40 front/rear, and go up to 90/10 at highway speeds.
People have graphed the behaviour using data from the bus, and proven that's the case.
Subaru is Biased to front wheel drive but can transfer over 50% to front or rear.
It depends on the particular model of the transmission. I believe all current automatic Subarus start at 60/40 front/rear, and go up to 90/10 at highway speeds.
People have graphed the behaviour using data from the bus, and proven that's the case.
My coworker had his Forester blow a head gasket three times the first two times were fixed under warranty. The third time was out of warranty. Subaru did not want to pay anything. He made an argument this is a lemon. He finally got Subaru and the dealer between them to settle and cover the repair then and he traded in the car for a new Honda CR-V.
His sister in New York with a 3 year old Forester with just 31,000 miles on it: the oil pressure light came on while driving down the highway. She limped to the next gas station where they added 1.6 quarts of oil. It was 1,000 miles since the last oil change. The light went off. She drove it for a day. Then, again on the highway, suddenly and without warning, the engine seized. She could have been killed. It threw a rod that pierced the engine block. As in, a hole in the block.
That's two in the same family.
His sister in New York with a 3 year old Forester with just 31,000 miles on it: the oil pressure light came on while driving down the highway. She limped to the next gas station where they added 1.6 quarts of oil. It was 1,000 miles since the last oil change. The light went off. She drove it for a day. Then, again on the highway, suddenly and without warning, the engine seized. She could have been killed. It threw a rod that pierced the engine block. As in, a hole in the block.
That's two in the same family.
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
The OP is already a satisfied Subaru owner, as most are, so I doubt that any internet horror stories will dissuade him, just as they've never dissuaded me.
Goes with the territory. I am on my 3rd.
The OP is already a satisfied Subaru owner, as most are, so I doubt that any internet horror stories will dissuade him, just as they've never dissuaded me.
Goes with the territory. I am on my 3rd.
If your coworker was seeing that kind of failure, it was clearly either a poor install (heads weren't re-machined, cheap gasket kits, amateur install). I suppose it's possible that a block slipped past the QC controls at the plant, but I suspect this story itself is BS. I have NEVER, EVER heard of any HG repair failing that wasn't a result of the above; the blocks and heads are rock solid -it's the proprietary gasket material of the older gens TypeII from 95-01- that were known to be bad.
Peddle your BS elsewhere.
Peddle your BS elsewhere.
It is interesting my family has moved off Subaru due to lack of 7 passenger until the Ascent. That being said in my extended family we once had 10 yes 10 2.5L with that infamous Head Gasket blowing motor. Only 1 of 10 actually had the problem at 245k miles but they were done with broken AC needing a $1000 repair anyway and it was hot out. The balance of the 9 ran into the early 200k range and were sold for good money privately (like $4000-$5000).
My parents still put around with a third car of 2000 Forester with no major failures since brand new. Just a starter, alternator and bunch of wheel bearings.
My parents as stated above are so happy with the current generation 2015 Subaru Outback base model no less. They do not have a single complaint and managed 35k on it.
My parents still put around with a third car of 2000 Forester with no major failures since brand new. Just a starter, alternator and bunch of wheel bearings.
My parents as stated above are so happy with the current generation 2015 Subaru Outback base model no less. They do not have a single complaint and managed 35k on it.
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