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I would not trust either of them. I have a VW Passat 1.8T which has to have good oil and filters and I have a Dodge Stratus 2.5 DOHC which needs a good filter, because it takes the small K-car size.
The SuperTechs are reported to be excellent oil filters, from general consensus in these pages.
I use them exclusively!
Dan
I use them exclusively!
Dan
Nothing wrong with SuperTech brand oil filters for 3,000 or even up to 5,000 mile oil changes in some cases. They are a lot better than the Frams. If you have an Advance Auto store near you they carry lots of Purolaters and their own branded oil filter which appears identical to the Purolater Premium Plus. Only it has a nifty coarse red finish for easy gripping. These run about $2.48 and the Purolater Premiums are about $3.00 and the Purolater PureOne's are about $5. Depending upon the application. Advance Auto also carriers Motorcraft, AC Delco and K&N at reasonable prices.
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Super Tech filters are not an option - I checked with Champion Laboratories to see if they made it in the larger size now suggested by VW for our engines. A simlar filter to the Super Tech line (except with more pleats) is the STP. At $3.59 (Autozone) for the S3569 it's not the deal a $2.07 Super Tech would be if they made it for our application.
A no brainer, Super Tech, even the new, unproved Ecore designs. By my tape measure, an ST 3950 has twice the filter area of a PH 3950. The plastic center tube has proven itself in years of use in the canister filters common in better Euros and now in the common Ecotec. The workmanship is better. That leaves the end caps, cardboard or a plastic or felt. Lubeowner in a post today, says he has cut some used Ecores apart and not seen any failures. See http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=002262;p=1#000037
If you just can't go the the new Ecores, surely you have some place to buy Purolator, or better yet, an AC or Motorcraft. Not all the ST's are Ecore now. I have heard very little about anything as bad as a Fram, a vague, non factual reference to a Group 7.
If you just can't go the the new Ecores, surely you have some place to buy Purolator, or better yet, an AC or Motorcraft. Not all the ST's are Ecore now. I have heard very little about anything as bad as a Fram, a vague, non factual reference to a Group 7.
The local no name auto parts store in town carriers "Group 7" oil filters. The last time I looked they said they were manufactured by Purolater. Given a choice between Fram and Group 7, I'd use the Group 7. I've used them in the past without any problem. Whereas I had nothing but problems with Frams due to their weak/non existent ADBV before I realized it was the Fram oil filter and NOT the oil causing the horrible start up racket.
Whimsey
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Here in MO/KS they don't even have SuperTech oil filters anymore... only Fram. Surprised me but I doesn't matter since I only buy Purolator's.
Supertech filters are much better then Fram.
My filter study
You didn't say the application which is important.
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My filter study
You didn't say the application which is important.
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Help me out here.
Does your VW use a filter with a 20-30 lb bypass or something? Otherwise there's Ford filters in any length you can handle ..up to 7" in length under the same thread/gasket size. Although in a ST ..you're probably limited to an ST8A.
Very impressed with the 7317 Supertech I used for my clean phase on my bike. Will be hacking up a PureOne in the next few weeks.
The STP part number they gave me was S3569. Good catch on the mis-match of bypass settings for a VW. I'll confirm with Champ Labs the correct part number for a 1.8T application and report back.quote:
Originally posted by Gary Allan:
Help me out here.This filter is a typical Ford filter ..which is available in a variety of lengths and can diameters with the identical or near identical gasket sizes. S3569 xrefs to a 51452 in Wix ..which sports the exact same 8-11 bypass valve. The only difference appears that this is suitable for a transmission application as well as an engine lube application. Otherwise that number is effectively an FL1A-oid.
Does your VW use a filter with a 20-30 lb bypass or something? Otherwise there's Ford filters in any length you can handle ..up to 7" in length under the same thread/gasket size. Although in a ST ..you're probably limited to an ST8A.
Gary,quote:
Originally posted by Gary Allan:
Help me out here.This filter is a typical Ford filter ..which is available in a variety of lengths and can diameters with the identical or near identical gasket sizes. S3569 xrefs to a 51452 in Wix ..which sports the exact same 8-11 bypass valve...
May I humbly suggest caution using Wix as the reference for bypass pressures? If you cross some of their filters for Chrysler applications with Purolators for the same engines (I looked at Neons, '98 V-10 2500HD pickup w/optional large filter, and standard V-8 pickups that year), you'll find that Wix all have the 8-11 or so bypass pressures. Purolator, however, lists completely different pressure values for those 3 filters. Now, it could be that Purolator is doing funny things, but it seems more likely to me that the Purolators are the proper specs and that Wix is just using the same rubber ADBV in all of them.
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Is it possible to upgrade that filter study with the new ST Ecore?.. afterall.... that is what's on most Wally World ST shelves now.
Is it possible to upgrade that filter study with the new ST Ecore?.. afterall.... that is what's on most Wally World ST shelves now.
After posing the question to Champ Labs Hotline about the STP S3569 cross referencing to WIX 51452, which would not have the correct by-pass pressure setting, I received this reply:quote:
Originally posted by bulwnkl:
Gary,quote:
Originally posted by Gary Allan:
Help me out here.This filter is a typical Ford filter ..which is available in a variety of lengths and can diameters with the identical or near identical gasket sizes. S3569 xrefs to a 51452 in Wix ..which sports the exact same 8-11 bypass valve...
May I humbly suggest caution using Wix as the reference for bypass pressures? If you cross some of their filters for Chrysler applications with Purolators for the same engines (I looked at Neons, '98 V-10 2500HD pickup w/optional large filter, and standard V-8 pickups that year), you'll find that Wix all have the 8-11 or so bypass pressures. Purolator, however, lists completely different pressure values for those 3 filters. Now, it could be that Purolator is doing funny things, but it seems more likely to me that the Purolators are the proper specs and that Wix is just using the same rubber ADBV in all of them.
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The S3569 is the correct replacement filter for your 2000 Volkswagen Passat w/1.8L engine. The S3569 does meet the requirements Volkswagen recommends for this application.
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So when you originally posted....
"Supertech filters are much better then Fram."
... you actually only meant the SuperTech 3387... since most SuperTech filters no longer fall under the tested design you demonstrated.
So when you originally posted....
"Supertech filters are much better then Fram."
... you actually only meant the SuperTech 3387... since most SuperTech filters no longer fall under the tested design you demonstrated.
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