Walmart Supertech MC oil?

[BigJohn]

^^^ This ^^^

I never understood Walmarts crazy pricing on Generic Motorcycle oil. Not that its bad but $8+ a quart is nuts.

Agree... I won't pay $8+ a quart for it, when I can get Rotella T4 15w40 with the JASO certs for $14 a gallon ($3.50 a quart).

Some guys say to me... why do you cheap Charlie on oil?.... Well, I have 8 bikes and they all get Rotella. Its a cost thing and a convenience thing.

Its just nice to have several gallons on the shop shelf... ready to go that will work in every bike.


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[ZeeOSix]

... when I can get Rotella T4 15w40 with the JASO certs ...

Rotella just says on the bottle that they "meet" the JASO spec, even though the oil is not officially registered with JASO. If anyone "certified" that it met the JASO spec, nobody knows how or by who that was done by.

 

[kschachn]

Rotella just says on the bottle that they "meet" the JASO spec, even though the oil is not officially registered with JASO. If anyone "certified" that it met the JASO spec, nobody knows how or by who that was done by.

Exactly.

 

[Propflux01]

Why should it be? Its not intended for JASO use. It just happens to meet the spec. Why pay for a license the oil is not technically (or labeled) used for. Its a "diesel" oil. AMSOIL does a similar thing.

 

[Papa Bear]

My 2009 Yamaha Star 250 manual calls for 10W-40 or 20W-50 above 50 F

 

[BigCahuna]

The manual for my 2016 Kawasaki says to use a Jaso 2 or a API SL rated oil. I take that to mean either oil is acceptable for use in the bike. The reason they give is for clutch performance. Valvoline MC metric conventional, 10/40 and 20/50 both meet those specs.,,

 

[ZeeOSix]

The manual for my 2016 Kawasaki says to use a Jaso 2 or a API SL rated oil. I take that to mean either oil is acceptable for use in the bike. The reason they give is for clutch performance. Valvoline MC metric conventional, 10/40 and 20/50 both meet those specs.,,

The way I read it, is even thought an oil meets API SL, it must also meet the defined friction specs from JASO to be JASO rated oil. All API SG through SM oils may not meet the friction specs.

 

[BigJohn]

Rotella just says on the bottle that they "meet" the JASO spec, even though the oil is not officially registered with JASO. If anyone "certified" that it met the JASO spec, nobody knows how or by who that was done by.

What you say is noise to me. My bikes run smoother, shift awesome and better on Rotella than the boutique motorcycle oils. I will stick with Rotella. I could care less what opinions are on Shell stating on their bottles.... MA/MA2 Spec. That's good enough for me... along with my ass feeling that all is well. I've got over a quarter million miles on bikes, so I am happy with my wisdom and knowledge.

Everyone needs to strum your own strings.... If you want to pay $18 a quart for motorcycle dealer oil.... go get it and stare at your recipes and feel good about yourself. If you don't and you follow some members on here that have 100k ..... maybe 200k on HDEO in bikes then.... Giddy UP as well!

 

[ZeeOSix]

What you say is noise to me. My bikes run smoother, shift awesome and better on Rotella than the boutique motorcycle oils. I will stick with Rotella. I could care less what opinions are on Shell stating on their bottles.... MA/MA2 Spec. That's good enough for me... along with my *** feeling that all is well. I've got over a quarter million miles on bikes, so I am happy with my wisdom and knowledge.

Everyone needs to strum your own strings.... If you want to pay $18 a quart for motorcycle dealer oil.... go get it and stare at your recipes and feel good about yourself. If you don't and you follow some members on here that have 100k ..... maybe 200k on HDEO in bikes then.... Giddy UP as well!

Chill out, a bit "over reactive" I'd say. Did I say it was bad ... just showing what JASO says it has to meet to be JASO rated.

 

[tc1446]

What I find odd is that Walmart's own Super Tech 10w40 full syn motorcycle oil is priced at $8.12/qt, while Valvoline 10w40 full syn motorcycle oil is priced at $7.67/qt. My local store carries them both..

As of 18 Sep, local Wally Valvoline was $9+ and ST $8+. Big jump .

 

[Mackelroy]

From what I can tell, the supertech Synthetic mc oil is Valvoline mc synthetic, atleast in the 10w40 catagory, exact smell, slickness and color. Might be packaged by Warner but a dead ringer for valvoline syn.

Thats not the oil I want though, I want the Dino version, = no clutch issue potential.


I was hoping super tech synthetic was maybe mx 4t Mobil 1 for $8 (would be a great deal), but its not, that is a completely differnt oil.

 

[BusyLittleShop]

Thats not the oil I want though, I want the Dino version, = no clutch issue potential.

The holy trinity of science is 1)Reason 2)Observation 3)Experience...
employing those tools we observe that the primary cause clutch slip
are high mileage... mileage is the constant among all of the clutches
that begin to slip... oil whether "Dino" or Synthetic is not a constant...

 

[Mackelroy]

The holy trinity of science is 1)Reason 2)Observation 3)Experience...
employing those tools we observe that the primary cause clutch slip
are high mileage... mileage is the constant among all of the clutches
that begin to slip... oil whether "Dino" or Synthetic is not a constant...

It wasnt high mileage though , brand new OEM clutch pack with the valvoline syn , in addition in trying to solve the slippage, heavier spring added, still did not solve. Going back to the Dino oil version solved the issue.


I was just pointing out, the Dino version never had slip issues even at 50,000 miles on that original clutch pack, but I have mc clutches with well over 115,000 miles on original clutch without issue, still going.



Now lets face it , depending on the clutch build, some clutches might be able to handle ultra slick oils, and others not.

If you take a drop of super 1300 Mobil, between the fingers, and a drop of valvoline syn, feel how much gripper the super 1300 gets over the valve syn, and an example, the valvoline, is super slick and never offers any friction in comparison.


Also a 50,000 mile dino oil fiber plate(for comparison) was cleaner than a 2 week old Valvoline syn fiber plate, which had been hard glazed.


I have about 6 bottle of valvoline syn, I'll dilute them in my vehicles over time, not going in my motorcycle clutches.

also that slippage ordeal was over a multi month period, till figured it out, it was the D*mn Oil.

 

[BusyLittleShop]

It wasnt high mileage though , brand new OEM clutch pack with the valvoline syn , in addition in trying to solve the slippage, heavier spring added, still did not solve. Going back to the Dino oil version solved the issue.

When a thousand to one user of Valvoline Synthetic reports clutch slip with new OEM pack the odds are its not the oil...

We would need to see 10 to 20 reports of new clutch packs slipping with Valvoline Synthetic to begin to establish a trend...

 

[tc1446]

I have ST motorcycle in my Can Am now and enough for two more changes. Will let everyone know if my clutch starts slipping.

 

[Mackelroy]

When a thousand to one user of Valvoline Synthetic reports clutch slip with new OEM pack the odds are its not the oil...

We would need to see 10 to 20 reports of new clutch packs slipping with Valvoline Synthetic to begin to establish a trend...

Yeah but what clutch , what gearing, what horse power. Taller the gearing the more load on the clutch , the more horsepower the more load on the clutch. Should a 250 cc clutch be on a 500cc bike? its pretty common in the dirt bike world.

If running a clutch that borderlines handling a certain horse power , the frictional characteristics of the oil, can be the determining factor like in my case. A clutch thats over built, and under horse powered, likely not to have issue.


The thought that an oil with an MA2 rating, should have the strongest frictional characterists , Im here to say its Not. It means Jack.

 

[ZeeOSix]

The thought that an oil with an MA2 rating, should have the strongest frictional characterists , Im here to say its Not. It means Jack.

Did you run any other JASO rated oil in that bike? Could have been a Valvoline thing. Who knows, could have even been a batch of ill formulated oil. Condemning all JASO rated oil due to one experience seems a bit rash.

I've ran many differebt JASO rated oils in the Hayabusa and none of them caused clutch slippage at full HP at full load in 6th gear.

 

[BusyLittleShop]

The thought that an oil with an MA2 rating, should have the strongest frictional characterists , Im here to say its Not. It means Jack.

It means Oils are chiefly formulated to service the engine and not the clutch...

 

[Mackelroy]

Did you run any other JASO rated oil in that bike? Could have been a Valvoline thing. Who knows, could have even been a batch of ill formulated oil. Condemning all JASO rated oil due to one experience seems a bit rash.

I've ran many differebt JASO rated oils in the Hayabusa and none of them caused clutch slippage at full HP at full load in 6th gear.

I had ran the Valvoline ma2 motorycle dino oil 60,000 miles, thats what I went back to after upgrading evrything in the clutch, to end the saga. Fixed it instantly.

I had just began running the full syn after a top end rebuild, Id ocassionally run the full syn, but once I went full time, it glazed the plates and the issue became Chronic , Instaledl some un glazed fibers and same issue.

No problem with the valvoline dino ma2 oil



as far as your Husaba. Its probably be fine in my sport bike too, but its a differnt clutch and much stouter.

BUt it does point out MA2 rating or not, its really is not a factor whether particular clutch likes it(but you think the standard was actually worth something).


I can point out oils that arent ma2 that have more clutch grip than the synthetic MA2 Valvoline

 

[ZeeOSix]

I had ran the Valvoline ma2 motorycle dino oil 60,000 miles, thats what I went back to after upgrading evrything in the clutch, to end the saga. Fixed it instantly.

I had just began running the full syn after a top end rebuild, Id ocassionally run the full syn, but once I went full time, it glazed the plates and the issue became Chronic , Instaledl some un glazed fibers and same issue.

No problem with the valvoline dino ma2 oil

as far as your Husaba. Its probably be fine in my sport bike too, but its a differnt clutch and much stouter.

BUt it does point out MA2 rating or not, its really is not a factor whether particular clutch likes it(but you think the standard was actually worth something).

Who knows, maybe the Valvoline full synthetic version was boarder line for some reason ... especially in that particular clutch. Many variables involved. I've never had an issue with using JASO spec oils in may bikes over the years, and don't plan on experimenting with non-JASO oils because if something does happen I don't want the pain and expense to mess with rebuilding clutches. Never had to for over 40 years using JASO spec oils, so I'll keep doing what I'm doing.