Originally Posted by rooflessVW
Originally Posted by vavavroom
I'm reluctant to buy VCDS unless my son brings an OBD 2 vehicle home. So far they all have been pre-OBD 2. I presume VCDS can show more detailed diagnostics than a regular OBD 2 scanner?
Yes. OBD2 isn't even worth entertaining with a VW as complex as the Phaeton. Did you know it has 32 modules? It will help you pinpoint the issue, if not outright call it out. VCDS is a NECESSITY if you have a big VW. (Phaeton, Touareg, S8, etc..) You simply cannot troubleshoot without it.
Which is why I suggested it before. You'll get nowhere without it.
Originally Posted by user52165
Re: removing engine to........................
I read this and I think about a funeral service I recently attended for a WWII vet. He was a Midwest farm boy growing up fixing tractors who was an Army tanker (Armor). While his crew could do basic and some advanced maintenance on Sherman tanks in the field, his counterparts in Panzers and Tigers hardly had the same access to service. Makes my wonder if the Germans with their wonderful engineering have ever learned.
A nice story, but not the same thing.
The Phaeton, least of all the W12, was not made to be easy to service. It was not made to be inexpensive. It was made to be big, fast, and luxurious. There was never a VW like it before and will never be another like it again.
Tell me, have you ever seen a W12 Phaeton, or even a big V12, in a luxury car? The engines are big, and the space that they occupy is small. The V8 Phaeton is easy to service. The VR6 Phaeton is easy to service. Likewise a BMW 740i will never have its engine out.
I'm curious: how would you improve the W12 Phaeton's serviceability? Something a little more in depth than, "make it easier hur-dur."
Originally Posted by rooflessVW
Originally Posted by vavavroom
I'm reluctant to buy VCDS unless my son brings an OBD 2 vehicle home. So far they all have been pre-OBD 2. I presume VCDS can show more detailed diagnostics than a regular OBD 2 scanner?
Yes. OBD2 isn't even worth entertaining with a VW as complex as the Phaeton. Did you know it has 32 modules? It will help you pinpoint the issue, if not outright call it out. VCDS is a NECESSITY if you have a big VW. (Phaeton, Touareg, S8, etc..) You simply cannot troubleshoot without it.
Which is why I suggested it before. You'll get nowhere without it.
Originally Posted by user52165
Re: removing engine to........................
I read this and I think about a funeral service I recently attended for a WWII vet. He was a Midwest farm boy growing up fixing tractors who was an Army tanker (Armor). While his crew could do basic and some advanced maintenance on Sherman tanks in the field, his counterparts in Panzers and Tigers hardly had the same access to service. Makes my wonder if the Germans with their wonderful engineering have ever learned.
A nice story, but not the same thing.
The Phaeton, least of all the W12, was not made to be easy to service. It was not made to be inexpensive. It was made to be big, fast, and luxurious. There was never a VW like it before and will never be another like it again.
Tell me, have you ever seen a W12 Phaeton, or even a big V12, in a luxury car? The engines are big, and the space that they occupy is small. The V8 Phaeton is easy to service. The VR6 Phaeton is easy to service. Likewise a BMW 740i will never have its engine out.
I'm curious: how would you improve the W12 Phaeton's serviceability? Something a little more in depth than, "make it easier hur-dur."
The short answer is yes, I have seen a W12 - even rode in the W12 Phaeton once ......................Impressive! . And I drove a 1967 Ferrari 330GTC ......... nearly bought it in 1976..................... quite a story behind that. And I have seen very many V12 (and V16) - mostly older vintage types but several Jaguar XJ12 and many BMW newer types.
The long answer will have to wait until I have more time.
