new poster so be gentle... purchased 2017 VW Beetle; manual says for gasoline engines (there are no 2017 diesel Beetles) oil specs are 502.00, 503.00 and 504.00, and, VW recommends Castrol. Couldn't find any Castrol 504.00 locally, so called Castrol corporate. They told me VW 504.00 is for diesel only and the VW owner's manual is wrong. Called VW HQ (cust svc) - they said manual is correct, 504.00 is for use in my gasoline engine 2017 Beetle. Called my dealership. Was told NONE of the manual-listed specs was for gasoline engines, that they ALL were for diesel (admittedly, this sounded like a "call taker' who just was parroting back what someone from service area reportedly told her). Now, someone is wrong here. Either my VW manual is right and 504.00 is ok for my 2017 Beetle, or it's not. I sent an email to the dealer service manager explaining the inconsistencies, so we'll see what he says. Anyone know anything about this? I thought I went to the 2 real "sources of truth" - the oil manufacturer, VW corporate, and my dealership service dept - but getting different answers.
VW spec 504.00 gasoline or diesel?
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List I found.
Looks like the 504 spec is for gasoline engines.
Volkswagen Motor Oil Specifications
http://www.oilspecifications.org/volkswagen.php
Looks like the 504 spec is for gasoline engines.
Volkswagen Motor Oil Specifications
http://www.oilspecifications.org/volkswagen.php
504 is the gas spec while 507 is the diesel spec. Most all 507 oils will also be rated 504 and vice versa. It's easier to find VW 502 oils in brick & mortars then 504/507 oils.
If you can use 502, 503 or 504 don't get hung up on the odd duck. Go pick your favorite brand with the 502 rating and be done. I'm really liking the Castrol edge products lately.
VW 504 is a mid SAPS specification, it's meant for EU and should be used only in markets with ultra low sulphur petrol/gasoline.
502 would suit your needs better.
502 would suit your needs better.
Pretty sure the 504/507 is lower saps for diesel but you can also use in petrol engines too as they carry both approvals. I'd avoid it unless you need 507 for a diesel VW.
Nevertheless, just use a 502 oil. Many oils carry that approval with a bunch of other manufacturer specs too.
Nevertheless, just use a 502 oil. Many oils carry that approval with a bunch of other manufacturer specs too.
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The specifications that you have listed are for gasoline engines. The diesel specifications that are generally found alongside the gasoline specs are 505.00 and 507.00.
ie: 502.00/505.00/505.01 where 502 is gas and the other two are diesel.
504.00/507.00 where 504 is gas and 507 is diesel.
I believe the 503 was a light viscosity oil that was specified only in a few applications that had incredibly long drain intervals. Mobil SHC Formula LD 0w30 was one specific product that I have used in Europe in years past.
For your application I would use a 502.00 oil. There are a few 0W40 products available at Wal-Mart that would be perfect.
ie: 502.00/505.00/505.01 where 502 is gas and the other two are diesel.
504.00/507.00 where 504 is gas and 507 is diesel.
I believe the 503 was a light viscosity oil that was specified only in a few applications that had incredibly long drain intervals. Mobil SHC Formula LD 0w30 was one specific product that I have used in Europe in years past.
For your application I would use a 502.00 oil. There are a few 0W40 products available at Wal-Mart that would be perfect.
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List I found.
Looks like the 504 spec is for gasoline engines.
Volkswagen Motor Oil Specifications
http://www.oilspecifications.org/volkswagen.php
Good link, thanks. The table and flow chart on the secondary linked page with the more detailed explanation are very good.
Looks like VW504 is a high quality petrol engine specification based on the ACEA C3 (mid-SAPS) Euro spec, which is a traditional light-duty diesel specification, but it's now commonly used in petrol cars in Europe. While many diesels have moved on to low-SAPS C4 oils.
Nothing wrong with an easy to find VW502 oil which should be many of the full-SAPS Euro A3/B4 oils eg Mobil 1 or Castrol EDGE 0W40.
However if you want VW504 the Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 meets this spec.
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Specifications and approvals
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5w30 has the following builder approvals:
BMW Longlife 04
MB-Approval 229.31
MB-Approval 229.51
Volkswagen (Gasoline/Diesel) 504 00/507 00
Porsche C30
Chrysler MS-11106
Peugeot/Citroën Automobiles B71 2290/B71 2297
GM dexos 2
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5w30 meets or exceeds the requirements of:
ACEA C2, C3
API (Meets Engine Test Requirements) SM/SN
JASO DL-1
According to ExxonMobil, Mobil 1 Formula ESP 5w30 is of the following quality level:
API CF
Volkswagen (Gasoline) 502 00/503 00/503 01
Volkswagen (Diesel) 505 00/506 00
List I found.
Looks like the 504 spec is for gasoline engines.
Volkswagen Motor Oil Specifications
http://www.oilspecifications.org/volkswagen.php
Good link, thanks. The table and flow chart on the secondary linked page with the more detailed explanation are very good.
Looks like VW504 is a high quality petrol engine specification based on the ACEA C3 (mid-SAPS) Euro spec, which is a traditional light-duty diesel specification, but it's now commonly used in petrol cars in Europe. While many diesels have moved on to low-SAPS C4 oils.
Nothing wrong with an easy to find VW502 oil which should be many of the full-SAPS Euro A3/B4 oils eg Mobil 1 or Castrol EDGE 0W40.
However if you want VW504 the Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 meets this spec.
Quote:
Specifications and approvals
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5w30 has the following builder approvals:
BMW Longlife 04
MB-Approval 229.31
MB-Approval 229.51
Volkswagen (Gasoline/Diesel) 504 00/507 00
Porsche C30
Chrysler MS-11106
Peugeot/Citroën Automobiles B71 2290/B71 2297
GM dexos 2
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5w30 meets or exceeds the requirements of:
ACEA C2, C3
API (Meets Engine Test Requirements) SM/SN
JASO DL-1
According to ExxonMobil, Mobil 1 Formula ESP 5w30 is of the following quality level:
API CF
Volkswagen (Gasoline) 502 00/503 00/503 01
Volkswagen (Diesel) 505 00/506 00
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Any quality synthetic for 5-7k will do fine. If you want to go the factory interval, follow whats specified.
Just to clear this up, the 504 00 (gasoline) spec is ALWAYS combined with the 507 00 (diesel) spec, like this: 504 00/507 00. It is mandatory to combine them.
The 504 00/507 00 spec is a mid-SAPS spec intended for use in low-S fuel regions on long drain intervals (baiscally, Europe). It is also intended for DPF-equipped diesels.
The advice that "504 is for diesels" is not technically correct, but the underlying principle is. This is that the 504 00/507 00 spec is principally for diesels with DPFs whereas the 502 00 spec is typically for gasoline engines in non-EU areas.
The 504 00/507 00 spec is a mid-SAPS spec intended for use in low-S fuel regions on long drain intervals (baiscally, Europe). It is also intended for DPF-equipped diesels.
The advice that "504 is for diesels" is not technically correct, but the underlying principle is. This is that the 504 00/507 00 spec is principally for diesels with DPFs whereas the 502 00 spec is typically for gasoline engines in non-EU areas.
Yes, the confusion in North America about that can be a bit funny at times. You should read the line items on various sell sheets in North America when it comes to C3 type oils, particularly Pennzoil stuff.
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