VW/Audi oil spec question - does 504 replace 502?

[izomtibor]

OK, I read trough the whole topic, but have no info how much the (presumably) lower HTHS number will affect the engine life if changed from 502.00 spec. oil to 504.00 spec. oil if there will be any affect at all?
I started using Castrol Edge 5w-30 (504.00/507.00) in my Seat Leon 1,6 16v, (VW engine code AZD) replacing Castrol Magnatec 5w-40 C3 used in the first 135.000 km (~100.000 miles)
no noticeably oil consumption by now, but it is only 5000 km since I have changed.
I am not planning doing increased service intervals, in fact I plan to change oil every 7.500 km which is half the required 15.000 km interval
I do short trips, usually 15km in the morning and 15km in the evening every day. I do not use high revs.

edit: If you were starting formulate the question why buy expensive oil if I replace it after half of the service interval: I do get the Edge for almost the same money as the Magnatec was

edit2: I have no data of the HTHS of the Castrol Edge 5w-30 I just assume it is lower than the Magnatec 5w-40 since the 504.00/507.00 spec is (besides others) for lowering fuel consumption which can be easily achiewed by lowering the friction on high temperatures inside the engine. (at least this is what I understand atm)
edit3: sorry for my bad english

 

[OldBaldy]

Originally Posted By: izomtibor
OK, I read trough the whole topic, but have no info how much the (presumably) lower HTHS number will affect the engine life if changed from 502.00 spec. oil to 504.00 spec. oil if there will be any affect at all?
I started using Castrol Edge 5w-30 (504.00/507.00) in my Seat Leon 1,6 16v, (VW engine code AZD) replacing Castrol Magnatec 5w-40 C3 used in the first 135.000 km (~100.000 miles)
no noticeably oil consumption by now, but it is only 5000 km since I have changed.
I am not planning doing increased service intervals, in fact I plan to change oil every 7.500 km which is half the required 15.000 km interval
I do short trips, usually 15km in the morning and 15km in the evening every day. I do not use high revs.

edit: If you were starting formulate the question why buy expensive oil if I replace it after half of the service interval: I do get the Edge for almost the same money as the Magnatec was

edit2: I have no data of the HTHS of the Castrol Edge 5w-30 I just assume it is lower than the Magnatec 5w-40 since the 504.00/507.00 spec is (besides others) for lowering fuel consumption which can be easily achiewed by lowering the friction on high temperatures inside the engine. (at least this is what I understand atm)
edit3: sorry for my bad english


You should have no problems with that plan.

 

[BritGerCarLuvr]

The Answer. 504.00/507.00 does NOT replace 502.00
see below...




VW Volkswagen Oil Specifications

Volkswagen introduced its own specifications in mid '90s. Since then this classification system is the starting point for selecting the technically suitable products for all vehicles manufactured by the VW group (Volkswagen, Audi, Seat, Skoda).


Volkswagen Motor Oil Specifications

VW 500.00 Volkswagen specification for multigrade engine oils for gasoline engines with SAE 5W-X/10W-X viscosity. This is an "old" oil specification and is applicable to engines built before model year 2000 (up to August 1999). Oils with an approval made post March 1997 were given an alternative, later VW specification.

VW 501.01 Conventional motor oils suitable for some VW engines built before MY 2000. This is an “old” oil specification and is applicable to engines built before model year 2000 (up to August 1999). Oils with an approval made post March 1997 were given an alternative, later VW specification.

VW 502.00 Oil for gasoline engines. Successor of VW 501.01 and VW 500.00 specification. Recommended for those which are subject to arduous conditions. It must not be used for any engines with variable service intervals or any which are referred to under other specifications.

VW 503.00 Long-life gasoline engine oil for VW cars with WIV (system for longer service intervals). Also meets ACEA A1, SAE 0W-30 or 5W-30 specification. VW 503.01 This specification is specifically for Audi RS4, Audi TT, S3 and Audi A8 6.0 V12 models with outputs of more than 180bhp, running with variable service intervals (30,000km or 2 years). Now superceeded by the
VW 504.00 specification.

VW 504.00 The VW 504 00 specification superceedes the VW 503 00 and VW 503.01 specifications. VW 504 00 oils are suitable for engines meeting the demands of Euro IV emissions standards.

VW 505.00 Passenger car diesel engine oil specification, minimum performance level CCMC PD-2. Lists viscosities SAE 5W-50, 10W-50/60, 15W-40/50, 20W-40/50 requiring 13% max. evaporation loss and SAE 5W-30/40, 10W-30/40 requiring 15% max. evaporation loss. VW 505.01 Special engine oil for VW turbodiesel engines with pump-injector-unit and for the V8 Commonrail turbodiesel engines. Meets ACEA B4 SAE 5W-40 specification. VW 506.00 These oils are suitable for diesel engines with extended service intervals of up to 50,000km / 2 years. Not for use on engines with a single injector pump. Oil change is indicated by the electronic service indicator. Viscosity is SAE 0W30. VW 506.01 These oils are especially for "Pumpe-Düse" (unit injector or "PD" engines) running on extended service intervals (30,000 - 50,000km / 24 months). Oil change is indicated by the electronic service indicator. VW 507.00 Low SAPS oils suitable for Euro 4 engines and almost all VAG diesel engines from 2000 onwards with extended service intervals, unitary injector pumps and also Pumpe-Düse ("PD") engines. Excludes V10, R5 engines and VW Commercial vehicles without fitted DPF (diesel particulate filters) – these must use a 506 01 specification oil. VW 508.00 This standard is not yet released. It will probably require a low SAPS oil with energy conserving properties.

 

[UG_Passat]

That "website" is with the oil descriptions is outdated.

1. VAG revived the 501.01 specification for the Audi R8 GT
2. 504/507 was designed for both fixed OCI and flexible OCI
3. the V10 & R5 TDI engines, with its geared timing system (no belt nor chain, just gears), originally, 504/507 did not survive too well. The formulation was revised to survive in those engines.