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Yeah but there isn't a concern regarding the use of Mobil, is there? The only TSB's have been the result of using non 3309 haven't they?

I'm not the expert here, I just did a little reading once when I was worried my Saab 9-5 had the AW box requiring 3309. Thankfully I have the "pre 3309" 4 speed.
 
Volvo allowed the change in '04 as a result of the outcry from the field over the outrageous cost of the OEM synthetic fluid. There is a very specific bulletin on it from Volvo.

AW55 transmissions were/are used in many maker's lines. But just because AW says something generic doesn't make it applicable to the individual manufacturers. Volvo mated these to engines more powerful (including turbos) than some others did.

Transmission families get refined and less trouble prone across their production lives, so I would think that for the later production the fluid spec becomes less necessary to cover other design issues. The classic instance of this was the early Taurus four speeds, which routinely self-destruct from overheating. Now, the right way to keep those running is with bigger aftermarket coolers and synthetic ATF, even though FoMoCo always recommended conventional ATF in them.

For the earlier AW55s, I would try to stick with the synthetic OEM fluid, especially in a turbo or if he doesn't plan very regular changes. The Volvo OEM bottled fluid is synthetic, and admittedly costs a lot. It's still a lot cheaper than a rebuilt AW55.

And just because the dealer pumps it in doesn't make it the best choice. They also pump bulk conventional into Rs and other engines for 7500 mile runs (at Volvo's recommendation), and now sludging reports are increasing. I can understand the widespread use of the Mobil 3309. It's a lot cheaper. But frankly, there's a lot of dealers out there that don't give a rat's backside if the engine or transmission blows outside the warranty. That's how they herd them over to the sales floor to buy a new one.

This is how it has been with Volvos. We all went through the same thing with the 850s. The early ones had their issues, and you need to be more diligent in maintaining those. By the end of the model run, the transmissions (and most of the rest of the car) were pretty much bulletproof.

This guy has an early S60. That was the specific reason for the caution on the trans fluid, despite what the dealers might be pumping. Of course, he can run whatever he wants.
 
Hmmm, what's funny is the AW transmissions in Saabs have been almost completely trouble-free. That's ranging from 175-260 hp.
 
Ignore volvo head. And don't be a smart *** next time. The volvo fluid is NOT synthetic. No
where is there a shred of evidence other than assumption that it is. It is manufactured by Mobil. Not Castrol.


Read the owners manual for 05 and 06 Volvo S60's. Its says used JWS 3309 compliant oils for the trans. Doesn't mention the Volvo fluid even by part number now. Only manufacturer offering it is Mobil 3309.

It's an old wives tale about the "special Volvo Fluid" and is nothing more than JWS 3309 and Is Mobil 3309 and IS NOT SYNTHETIC. Even the fluid bottle from Volvo it doesn't say synthetic.

Stop the misinformation. Getting everyone confused
 
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Originally posted by Volvohead:
Volvo allowed the change in '04 as a result of the outcry from the field over the outrageous cost of the OEM synthetic fluid. There is a very specific bulletin on it from Volvo.

AW55 transmissions were/are used in many maker's lines. But just because AW says something generic doesn't make it applicable to the individual manufacturers. Volvo mated these to engines more powerful (including turbos) than some others did.


Typical example of misinformation and stretching things to confuse people
Facts are:
Volvo OEM fluid from dealers is a rip off and is JWS 3309 and is Mobil 3309
It's not synthetic
No "special" fluid was developed for the AW55 trans for the S60's, and then the Mobil fluid was "allowed" in 2004 thats hogwash. He say a "special memo" exists. Then produce it.
Nowhere on the Volvo fluid bottle does it say synthetic. Nowhere from Volvo does it say it's synthetic.
What is the "special synthetic fluid", where does it come from. Why does it cost $20 per quart. (Even the most expensive best debateable top of the line, synthetic motor oil costs $7 per quarts, why $20 for this stuff???) I mean if that doesn't put it in perspective then what does. Volvohead ought to just keep this misinformation to himself. He is in the vast minority in this debate on volvo fluids for the trans.
And finally Toyota which uses AW trans basically identical in design and function to the AW 55 for Volvo, uses JWS 3309 oil spec for their trans. Their dealers also sell Toyota fluid for $5 per quart and it's called type 1-V I believe. It's actually Mobil 3309 and that is the Toyota OEM fluid. Case closed.
Misinformation should cease on this.
 
Last month I bought Type IV transmission fluid for $4/qt from Victory Toyota on Sheldon in Plymouth for my Volvo. It's on my commute home.

Vesco Oil Co. sells it for $3.58 per quart. But you have to order it, then drive to Detroit to pick it up.
 
Vesco is where I get the Mobil 3309 from as well.
You did well.
I paid $46.50 for the 12 quarts.

I have never inquired about getting Mobil 1 motor oil from them. I wonder if you could buy cheaper from them? Probably not because it may infringe apon their customers. Going to call them though.
 
Sorry for the rant, I just want to be crystal clear on this subject

To drill this to death...
The Magneson-Moss act clearly states that you cannot supply a product, (in this case an oil) which has unique properties and not offer the customer an alternative which is functionally equivalent, or equal in quality.

Hence Mobi 3309 and now the Volvo dealers cannot exclusively sell the "Volvo fluid". You have to have choices and alternatives. This is why Chrysler is having competition selling the AFT+4 transmission fluid from Valvoline and others. It has to be offered for sale in other venues by law. You cannot be exclusive to the detriment of your customer base.

And No I am not a lawyer, just an engineer.
(11) The term ''replacement'' means furnishing a new consumer product which is identical or reasonably equivalent to the warranted consumer product.
The above is from the Magneson-Moss act
 
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Originally posted by fred0803:
Sorry for the rant, I just want to be crystal clear on this subject

To drill this to death...
The Magneson-Moss act clearly states that you cannot supply a product, (in this case an oil) which has unique properties and not offer the customer an alternative which is functionally equivalent, or equal in quality.


Please quote the part of the MM act that says that.

My interpretation is that the OEM can't require you to use their oil (or other item) but they are under no obligation to develop an alternate source.
 
I had a nice talk with Vesco Oil a month ago. Since the Mobil ATF 3309 was the cheapest around, I (as you) thought I could pad the order with other Mobil products and take advantage of their policy of free shipping for orders over 10 gallons.

It turns out their Mobil 1 oils (5W-40 T&SUV, 5w30, 5W-20) are more expensive ($6.49/qt) than the local Murrays.

As far as the Magneson-Moss Act, I agree with SX650. The Act does not guarantee that someone will develop a suitable fluid for a particular application.

For example, no one on the Mercedes web sites has identified a suitable replacement for the synthetic transmission fluid Mercedes sells for their modern transmissions. Their fluid is $16/qt.

I believe the Act states that warranty cannot be denied simply because the owner used a (suitable) fluid or part that was not from the dealer.
 
Please quote the part of the MM act that says that.

(11) The term ''replacement'' means furnishing a new consumer product which is identical or reasonably equivalent to the warranted consumer product

What I am trying to say, and not doing it very well, is that Volvo cannot just offer a "unique" fluid which has no competition for. It has to allow the formulation to be developed by a second party. But as we know well, the Volvo fluid isn't theirs, it's developed by the transmission company, AW. And they just cannot have that fluid sold soley by Volvo, there had to be at least a second source. I.E. Mobil which is the manufacturer of the fluid to begin with.
Maybe I am all wet here with my thought pattern.
 
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