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Originally Posted By: Johnny2Bad
So advice like "15 minutes in the sun is enough" has to be considered unproven.


It's deceptive to say that 15 minutes stuff, and I hate hearing it to be honest.

How much time you have to spend in the sun is dependent on the UV index, which varies based off what time of the year it is, what time of the day it is, and the weather conditions.

https://www.epa.gov/sunsafety/uv-index-1

http://www.intellicast.com/National/Outdoors/UltraViolet.aspx


For many many years I was vitamin D deficient. I couldn't tolerate more than 200IU (50% daily value) of D3 without weird side effects. I was able to tolerate a little more D2, presumably because D2 isn't as potent as D3. I can now tolerate D3 just fine, and am finally, finally no longer deficient.

Long story short if you're like me and have weird side effects from vitamin D supplements, try boosting cofactors like vitamins A and K.
 
Originally Posted By: billt460
For about the last year or so I have had a lot of issues with muscle and joint pain. I thought it was just from old age setting in. It got to the point when I would get down on the living room carpet to play with the dog, I could hardly get up! It really hurt. Then about 6 months ago I had a doctors appointment for a checkup and routine blood panel, and he called me to tell me I had a large Vitamin D deficiency. He also was questioning my Thyroid results. He said that could be effected by me lacking Vitamin D as well.

He told me to immediately start taking 2,000 units a day. So I did. I couldn't believe the difference! Within a couple of weeks I started to improve. Most all the muscle and joint pain I was having went away. I can bounce up off the floor like I was 30. I just had my blood panel redone, and my thyroid was completely normal. I had no idea Vitamin D was that important. He said many adults in their 60's lack it.

So now I make sure I take 2,000 units a day regularly. All of the pain and discomfort I was experiencing all went away. The stuff is cheap, and can really improve your life. Try it and see. I doubt you will be disappointed in the results.


Are you sure your doctor recommended Vitamin D, or did he mean to say Vitamin D3?
There's a difference in absorbency between the two and what's usually recommended is Vitamin D3, not the standard Vitamin D.

If you;re not sure, call the doctor's office for verification.
 
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Problem is vitamins are Not all the same some are total fakes. Which ones are the real ones they are not regulated

Just buy NatureMade vitamins. They are USP approved. Available everywhere and usually on sale.
Nature-Made-Vitamin-D3-031604025854.jpg
 
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Originally Posted By: sxg6
How much time you have to spend in the sun is dependent on the UV index, which varies based off what time of the year it is, what time of the day it is, and the weather conditions.

https://www.epa.gov/sunsafety/uv-index-1




I just took a look. UV index of 1 for the entire day, predicted 1 for tomorrow. The two days after that are predicting 0.

How long do I need to be in the sun if the index is 0?

Heh...

I will have to look into this vitamin stuff. These winters sure aren't getting shorter.
 
Originally Posted By: sxg6
Originally Posted By: Johnny2Bad
So advice like "15 minutes in the sun is enough" has to be considered unproven.


It's deceptive to say that 15 minutes stuff, and I hate hearing it to be honest.

How much time you have to spend in the sun is dependent on the UV index, which varies based off what time of the year it is, what time of the day it is, and the weather conditions.

https://www.epa.gov/sunsafety/uv-index-1

http://www.intellicast.com/National/Outdoors/UltraViolet.aspx


For many many years I was vitamin D deficient. I couldn't tolerate more than 200IU (50% daily value) of D3 without weird side effects. I was able to tolerate a little more D2, presumably because D2 isn't as potent as D3. I can now tolerate D3 just fine, and am finally, finally no longer deficient.

Long story short if you're like me and have weird side effects from vitamin D supplements, try boosting cofactors like vitamins A and K.





One needs to be rather careful with Vitamin A, it can be toxic in large doses as it builds up in the liver. I have a post here somewhere about a doomed Artic expedition where members died after eating the livers of their sled dogs after being trapped. It builds up into the liver and is the main reason that I do not take a "daily multivitamin" every day because I take cod liver oil that is rich in A.

I like Swanson a lot, but bought Centrum on sale at Rite Aid for $7 for 130 total tablets. I also take a B-multivitamin with C, about every other day...

Centrum are made by Pfizer and Natures Made or good quality as well. Ordering online from Swanson is a good deal if you're stocking up on several different supplements...
 
I take a vitamin D pill every day and have done so for at least 5 or 6 years now. I also get a lot of sun in the warm months here, and take a couple of southern vacations each winter to top up on my natural vitamin D!
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Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Originally Posted By: sxg6
Originally Posted By: Johnny2Bad
So advice like "15 minutes in the sun is enough" has to be considered unproven.


It's deceptive to say that 15 minutes stuff, and I hate hearing it to be honest.

How much time you have to spend in the sun is dependent on the UV index, which varies based off what time of the year it is, what time of the day it is, and the weather conditions.

https://www.epa.gov/sunsafety/uv-index-1

http://www.intellicast.com/National/Outdoors/UltraViolet.aspx


For many many years I was vitamin D deficient. I couldn't tolerate more than 200IU (50% daily value) of D3 without weird side effects. I was able to tolerate a little more D2, presumably because D2 isn't as potent as D3. I can now tolerate D3 just fine, and am finally, finally no longer deficient.

Long story short if you're like me and have weird side effects from vitamin D supplements, try boosting cofactors like vitamins A and K.





One needs to be rather careful with Vitamin A, it can be toxic in large doses as it builds up in the liver. I have a post here somewhere about a doomed Artic expedition where members died after eating the livers of their sled dogs after being trapped. It builds up into the liver and is the main reason that I do not take a "daily multivitamin" every day because I take cod liver oil that is rich in A.

I like Swanson a lot, but bought Centrum on sale at Rite Aid for $7 for 130 total tablets. I also take a B-multivitamin with C, about every other day...

Centrum are made by Pfizer and Natures Made or good quality as well. Ordering online from Swanson is a good deal if you're stocking up on several different supplements...


It's true, vitamin A is fat soluble and can build up in your body. If you want to avoid that risk, you could always eat foods high in beta carotene, like carrots and sweet potatoes.

Despite what a lot of people say and think, beta carotene found in vegetables like carrots is not vitamin A. The reason why some people say these foods contain vitamin A is because your body is supposed to convert beta carotene to vitamin A. The nice thing about beta carotene is, your body will stop converting it to vitamin A if your body has enough of vitamin A stored.

Something similar could be said about folic acid to folate, except being a B vitamin, your body can get rid of the excess in your urine. But some people aren't good at converting folic acid to folate due to a genetic mutation, MTHFR gene mutation.

It's also interesting to me how a lot of vitamins in multivitamins and fortified foods aren't "active", and have to be activated by your body, b12 for example. Cyancobalamin is b12 found in a lot of vitamins, but isn't "active". Methylcobalamin is the active form of b12 that you can also get as a supplement, that is ready for your body to use.

Vitamins and minerals is a very interesting topic to me that I enjoy reading about. I know I threw out some extra info, but I love talking about this kind of stuff.
 
Fresh out of one of the best cancer hospitals in the world - and a quarter century of dealing with the effects of too much "D" from the sun ... I say to all of you "strike a balance" ...
 
Originally Posted By: 4WD
Fresh out of one of the best cancer hospitals in the world - and a quarter century of dealing with the effects of too much "D" from the sun ... I say to all of you "strike a balance" ...


You don't want too much vitamin D. But many people are deficient. Sorry about hearing your cancer treatment. If its sun related its from UV not the vitamin D your body produces from sun.

A lot of people do not spend time in the sun like our ancestors did.

I do agree not to go overboard with it. its fat soluble. Probably 5000u a day is enough. 10-15u for a month or so if you test deficient. Take it with food, food with some fat content.
 
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Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Problem is vitamins are Not all the same some are total fakes. Which ones are the real ones they are not regulated

Just buy NatureMade vitamins. They are USP approved. Available everywhere and usually on sale.
Nature-Made-Vitamin-D3-031604025854.jpg



This advertising drives me nuts. USP is NOT a testing agency, they develop and/or validate and approve methods of testing. I don't see how the company can make the claim they do. I guarantee that USP has never tested any Nature Made products. At best, an independent lab or, more likely, Nature Made themselves, may have tested the product using a USP approved method and it met the criteria for passing the test, or maybe not. But USP approves neither products or testing labs. I specifically avoid the company's products because of this claim that they make.
 
Thanks - I'm both ... major UV overload (most from years ago) and tested to be low on "D" ... it is my primary Dermatologist who wants me doing 2500-5000/day ..
 
Being slightly Irish means I burn easily. Dunno if that is good or bad: I have to slap on sunblock before most do, but does that limit my UV damage more than others who wait longer?
 
Originally Posted By: dlayman
Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Problem is vitamins are Not all the same some are total fakes. Which ones are the real ones they are not regulated

Just buy NatureMade vitamins. They are USP approved. Available everywhere and usually on sale.
Nature-Made-Vitamin-D3-031604025854.jpg



This advertising drives me nuts. USP is NOT a testing agency, they develop and/or validate and approve methods of testing. I don't see how the company can make the claim they do. I guarantee that USP has never tested any Nature Made products. At best, an independent lab or, more likely, Nature Made themselves, may have tested the product using a USP approved method and it met the criteria for passing the test, or maybe not. But USP approves neither products or testing labs. I specifically avoid the company's products because of this claim that they make.

You don't know what you are talkin g about
 
Originally Posted By: dlayman
Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Problem is vitamins are Not all the same some are total fakes. Which ones are the real ones they are not regulated

Just buy NatureMade vitamins. They are USP approved. Available everywhere and usually on sale.
Nature-Made-Vitamin-D3-031604025854.jpg



This advertising drives me nuts. USP is NOT a testing agency, they develop and/or validate and approve methods of testing. I don't see how the company can make the claim they do. I guarantee that USP has never tested any Nature Made products. At best, an independent lab or, more likely, Nature Made themselves, may have tested the product using a USP approved method and it met the criteria for passing the test, or maybe not. But USP approves neither products or testing labs. I specifically avoid the company's products because of this claim that they make.


They have been tested online by a major lab (the one that publicly attacked several major retailers for selling [censored]) and they contain the percentages of vitamins claimed. So does Swanson, Puritans Pride, and Centrum. Costco and Walmart's flagship brands are about the same...
 
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted By: billt460
For about the last year or so I have had a lot of issues with muscle and joint pain. I thought it was just from old age setting in. It got to the point when I would get down on the living room carpet to play with the dog, I could hardly get up! It really hurt. Then about 6 months ago I had a doctors appointment for a checkup and routine blood panel, and he called me to tell me I had a large Vitamin D deficiency. He also was questioning my Thyroid results. He said that could be effected by me lacking Vitamin D as well.

He told me to immediately start taking 2,000 units a day. So I did. I couldn't believe the difference! Within a couple of weeks I started to improve. Most all the muscle and joint pain I was having went away. I can bounce up off the floor like I was 30. I just had my blood panel redone, and my thyroid was completely normal. I had no idea Vitamin D was that important. He said many adults in their 60's lack it.

So now I make sure I take 2,000 units a day regularly. All of the pain and discomfort I was experiencing all went away. The stuff is cheap, and can really improve your life. Try it and see. I doubt you will be disappointed in the results.


Are you sure your doctor recommended Vitamin D, or did he mean to say Vitamin D3?
There's a difference in absorbency between the two and what's usually recommended is Vitamin D3, not the standard Vitamin D.

If you;re not sure, call the doctor's office for verification.


I should have mentioned it was D3, sorry. It's almost impossible to overdose on D3 because it doesn't get stored in your fat cells the way D can. You basically urinate away what your body doesn't want. Also, my doctor told me that when you get older, (over 60), your skin has nowhere near the ability to soak up Vitamin D from sunlight compared to someone in their 20's. So taking Vitamin D3 is very important. Playing in the Sun just doesn't get it done.
 
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