Whats your vehicle?How good has it been to you? Im Looking For A Good First Car. I Want Something With some power. I was Thinking About an 87' v8 fox body mustang.
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I drive a 2004 Ford Crown Vic. Its my second car. Yes, Im 20 and I bought a Vic. Its not the fastest car on the road, but plenty fast to get in trouble. 
Ive only had it had 4,000mi so I cant speak for long term myself but I hear only good reports from other people. Only thing I had to do since I got was...replace two rear tires. Nice thing about them is you can pick up a used Police interceptor for cheap. Mine is a grandpa LX, though. Only difference is PI has dual exhaust and stiffer suspension and less of the creature comforts. Most PIs even come without a radio.
Ive only had it had 4,000mi so I cant speak for long term myself but I hear only good reports from other people. Only thing I had to do since I got was...replace two rear tires. Nice thing about them is you can pick up a used Police interceptor for cheap. Mine is a grandpa LX, though. Only difference is PI has dual exhaust and stiffer suspension and less of the creature comforts. Most PIs even come without a radio.
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Thats Actually A Very Nice Car, Id Be proud to drive it.
After 10 months and some change, my Buick Park Avenue has been a terrific car. See my thread "Six-month review of Buick Park Avenue" in Vehicles: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/six-month-review-2003-buick-park-avenue.84492/
Since that time, I've been running the A/C more, and while there have been no refrigerant leaks, my regular mechanic warns me that the compressor is showing some age (5 years) and may need replacement late this year or early in the next. He's sure it'll get me through this summer. It'll run about $800 to replace the compressor and dryer, he says, and he's always tried to *save* me money.
Aside from that, the big car starts every time, stops easily, accelerates briskly when I put my foot in it, runs at the proper temperature even in the savage temps, handles the nasty "roads" in the New Orleans area, and is easy on oil.
Yeah, I know, it's perceived as a Grandpa car like the Crown Vic. Find one in red or a dark color, put some chrome wheels on it, and drive it like you stole it.
Since that time, I've been running the A/C more, and while there have been no refrigerant leaks, my regular mechanic warns me that the compressor is showing some age (5 years) and may need replacement late this year or early in the next. He's sure it'll get me through this summer. It'll run about $800 to replace the compressor and dryer, he says, and he's always tried to *save* me money.
Aside from that, the big car starts every time, stops easily, accelerates briskly when I put my foot in it, runs at the proper temperature even in the savage temps, handles the nasty "roads" in the New Orleans area, and is easy on oil.
Yeah, I know, it's perceived as a Grandpa car like the Crown Vic. Find one in red or a dark color, put some chrome wheels on it, and drive it like you stole it.
If you are looking for cheap power and will for an older car. First would be any of the 94-96 Chevy Caprices with the LT1(corvette derived V8)or one of the supercharged buick/chevy 3800's, either in coupe or sedan style.
With gas approaching $5/gallon, I'd be looking at older Civics as a first car. Like a 91 Si
i bought a 95 honda accord 5 speed and i had it 7 months and a total of 5 k miles.
Within those 5k miles i think i did 4-5 oil changes. lol
Replaced exhaust system because old one was rusted big time, one of my serpetine belts was eating itsself since it was so old so i bought 2 new belts, new air filter, new HondaMTF in the transmission, bleed the brakes, bleed the clutch, New spark plugs, carp,rotor,wires,battery
Bought it for 2300 sold it for 2800 so i made 100 bucks at the end of the day but not really if you count registration , plates...ect..ect..
ps. I beat on the car alot.. My dad used it for a winter beater and every time i drove it i drove it liek a race car on dry pavment or wet and like a drifter in the snow, it was the funnest car i could have had.
As for fast... Well i could chirp it in second gear so i guess it had some power to it. 130 hp and 138 tq was enough power to get me buy. I also enjoyed the low end tq the car offered with the stock intake system and the stock exhaust diameter piping.
But i sold the car since it always had this knock in the engine and i didnt want it to break on me... although it ran like a champ, i would consider a 94-97 accord EX... they come with the more powerfull engine soo that must be a fun car..
Within those 5k miles i think i did 4-5 oil changes. lol
Replaced exhaust system because old one was rusted big time, one of my serpetine belts was eating itsself since it was so old so i bought 2 new belts, new air filter, new HondaMTF in the transmission, bleed the brakes, bleed the clutch, New spark plugs, carp,rotor,wires,battery
Bought it for 2300 sold it for 2800 so i made 100 bucks at the end of the day but not really if you count registration , plates...ect..ect..
ps. I beat on the car alot.. My dad used it for a winter beater and every time i drove it i drove it liek a race car on dry pavment or wet and like a drifter in the snow, it was the funnest car i could have had.
As for fast... Well i could chirp it in second gear so i guess it had some power to it. 130 hp and 138 tq was enough power to get me buy. I also enjoyed the low end tq the car offered with the stock intake system and the stock exhaust diameter piping.
But i sold the car since it always had this knock in the engine and i didnt want it to break on me... although it ran like a champ, i would consider a 94-97 accord EX... they come with the more powerfull engine soo that must be a fun car..
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I've had my Cavalier for a little over a year and about 15,000 miles. Wife has had hers for 2 years and 30,000 miles. Nothing has gone wrong with either of them.
I used to have a '96 Accord with the VTEC 4-cyl and manual transmission. It was decently quick for a 4-cyl, and always returned above 25 mpg. Suspension, body, and exhaust were a piece of [censored] though. Brakes sucked, too.
I used to have a '96 Accord with the VTEC 4-cyl and manual transmission. It was decently quick for a 4-cyl, and always returned above 25 mpg. Suspension, body, and exhaust were a piece of [censored] though. Brakes sucked, too.
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Get the Mustang. If you keep your foot out of it, they get great gas mileage on the highway, in town, well......
My 1st 'stang was an '87 GT T-Top. With some ported GT40's, OTS TFS #1 cam, TFS-R intake, 75mm TB and a 75mm MAF, the car made 270RWHP/300RWTQ with 300,000Km on the shortblock, PIG rich (10.5:1 A/F) on the dyno with no tune on it.
Proper A/F, it would have been around 285.
Shooting for 320RWHP with the same engine, same heads, same intake, same TB, 24lb injectors, LMAF and a CI custom camshaft whenever I finish putting it back together.
The '87 met it's unfortunate demise due to a diesel spill on a damp night that put it off a 30ft embankment into a few small trees.
Powertrain (sans the rear-end) now resides in an '82 Capri Black Magic.
Great cars! I drove the living [censored] out of that thing and it never missed a beat.
My 1st 'stang was an '87 GT T-Top. With some ported GT40's, OTS TFS #1 cam, TFS-R intake, 75mm TB and a 75mm MAF, the car made 270RWHP/300RWTQ with 300,000Km on the shortblock, PIG rich (10.5:1 A/F) on the dyno with no tune on it.
Proper A/F, it would have been around 285.
Shooting for 320RWHP with the same engine, same heads, same intake, same TB, 24lb injectors, LMAF and a CI custom camshaft whenever I finish putting it back together.
The '87 met it's unfortunate demise due to a diesel spill on a damp night that put it off a 30ft embankment into a few small trees.
Powertrain (sans the rear-end) now resides in an '82 Capri Black Magic.
Great cars! I drove the living [censored] out of that thing and it never missed a beat.
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
With gas approaching $5/gallon, I'd be looking at older Civics as a first car. Like a 91 Si
You could think of it that way, or you could think of it as, hey, gas is only $5/gallon, I might as well buy a car I can like before being sentenced to import 4-cylinder [censored] when gas actually does become expensive (i.e. $10-$15/gallon+).
With gas approaching $5/gallon, I'd be looking at older Civics as a first car. Like a 91 Si
You could think of it that way, or you could think of it as, hey, gas is only $5/gallon, I might as well buy a car I can like before being sentenced to import 4-cylinder [censored] when gas actually does become expensive (i.e. $10-$15/gallon+).
Save your money and get an econobox
Originally Posted By: mstrjon32
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
With gas approaching $5/gallon, I'd be looking at older Civics as a first car. Like a 91 Si
You could think of it that way, or you could think of it as, hey, gas is only $5/gallon, I might as well buy a car I can like before being sentenced to import 4-cylinder [censored] when gas actually does become expensive (i.e. $10-$15/gallon+).
Unless you're Paris Hilton, $5 gas IS EXPENSIVE for someone looking for a first car - ie someone still likely in highschool with limited or no income.
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
With gas approaching $5/gallon, I'd be looking at older Civics as a first car. Like a 91 Si
You could think of it that way, or you could think of it as, hey, gas is only $5/gallon, I might as well buy a car I can like before being sentenced to import 4-cylinder [censored] when gas actually does become expensive (i.e. $10-$15/gallon+).
Unless you're Paris Hilton, $5 gas IS EXPENSIVE for someone looking for a first car - ie someone still likely in highschool with limited or no income.
...I guess, I had more expendable income when I was in high school (making my own money working jobs) than I do with a good-paying full time job. I had no bills to pay except for basically whatever fun stuff I wanted to do and on my car, and I loved to drive. Don't get me wrong, I still love to drive, but life is busier now so I can't just go out for a ride for the sake of going out for a ride.
Life only gets tougher the older you get, and IMO, you should get the sports car before you're too old and too bald to enjoy it. There's plenty of time to be frugal and sensible when you're too old for it to make a difference.
Life only gets tougher the older you get, and IMO, you should get the sports car before you're too old and too bald to enjoy it. There's plenty of time to be frugal and sensible when you're too old for it to make a difference.
Originally Posted By: mstrjon32
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
With gas approaching $5/gallon, I'd be looking at older Civics as a first car. Like a 91 Si
You could think of it that way, or you could think of it as, hey, gas is only $5/gallon, I might as well buy a car I can like before being sentenced to import 4-cylinder [censored] when gas actually does become expensive (i.e. $10-$15/gallon+).
Well, another way to look at it would be that those awful four-cylinder cars (not just imports, let's include Malibus, Foci, and the like with I-4s) as configured today put out sometimes as much as 60-75 hp more output than did V-8 performance cars from 25 years ago. My first new car, as embarrassed as I am to admit it, was a 1983 Pontiac Firebird Trans-Am. It had the 5.0L V-8 which was "good" for 150 hp and 240 ft-lb of tq. That would, of course, beat the modern I-4s for torque, but a current Accord or Camry would beat it's pants off for output. The 0-60 time on that Trans-Am was 9.5 seconds, which sounded good then, but most of the I-4 mid-size crowd can beat that. Heck, even my Prius can do that (as long as its got a full charge).
Hey, it's only a matter of time before the prices get to you too. A few years ago, I was "convinced" I was out of the I-4 market for good. Now, I can hardly stand the thought of sending the oil companies one more penny of my hard earned cash. I drive MILDLY, and I'm proud of it!!!
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
With gas approaching $5/gallon, I'd be looking at older Civics as a first car. Like a 91 Si
You could think of it that way, or you could think of it as, hey, gas is only $5/gallon, I might as well buy a car I can like before being sentenced to import 4-cylinder [censored] when gas actually does become expensive (i.e. $10-$15/gallon+).
Well, another way to look at it would be that those awful four-cylinder cars (not just imports, let's include Malibus, Foci, and the like with I-4s) as configured today put out sometimes as much as 60-75 hp more output than did V-8 performance cars from 25 years ago. My first new car, as embarrassed as I am to admit it, was a 1983 Pontiac Firebird Trans-Am. It had the 5.0L V-8 which was "good" for 150 hp and 240 ft-lb of tq. That would, of course, beat the modern I-4s for torque, but a current Accord or Camry would beat it's pants off for output. The 0-60 time on that Trans-Am was 9.5 seconds, which sounded good then, but most of the I-4 mid-size crowd can beat that. Heck, even my Prius can do that (as long as its got a full charge).
Hey, it's only a matter of time before the prices get to you too. A few years ago, I was "convinced" I was out of the I-4 market for good. Now, I can hardly stand the thought of sending the oil companies one more penny of my hard earned cash. I drive MILDLY, and I'm proud of it!!!
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Hey, it's only a matter of time before the prices get to you too.
I don't disagree at all, that's why I'm trying to enjoy something I love (driving) while I still can. One day it will be unaffordable and it will be nothing more than an expensive chore. I derive absolutely no enjoyment driving an econobox back and forth to work.
You're definitely right about output, no doubt most 4-cylinder cars today could beat many V8 cars of yore in a drag race no problem. But, despite their slowness, at least in my opinion, they had a certain charisma that modern cars can't match. Nothing like the feeling of rumbling along with a 350 and a 3-speed automatic.
Maybe I'm just bitter I didn't get to buy the muscle of the 60's and early 70's when they were still new...
Hey, it's only a matter of time before the prices get to you too.
I don't disagree at all, that's why I'm trying to enjoy something I love (driving) while I still can. One day it will be unaffordable and it will be nothing more than an expensive chore. I derive absolutely no enjoyment driving an econobox back and forth to work.
You're definitely right about output, no doubt most 4-cylinder cars today could beat many V8 cars of yore in a drag race no problem. But, despite their slowness, at least in my opinion, they had a certain charisma that modern cars can't match. Nothing like the feeling of rumbling along with a 350 and a 3-speed automatic.
Maybe I'm just bitter I didn't get to buy the muscle of the 60's and early 70's when they were still new...
Originally Posted By: mstrjon32
they had a certain charisma that modern cars can't match. Nothing like the feeling of rumbling along with a 350 and a 3-speed automatic.
Or the feeling of the entire frame and body twisting in an old t-top/convertible f-body when you go into a driveway.
they had a certain charisma that modern cars can't match. Nothing like the feeling of rumbling along with a 350 and a 3-speed automatic.
Or the feeling of the entire frame and body twisting in an old t-top/convertible f-body when you go into a driveway.
By the way, something like a 91 Si Civic, 91-94 Nissan Sentra SE-R etc. would be pretty darn fast, very economical, and way fun to drive. I've driven both, and they can do some canyon carving like a go cart. If you have a rwd muscle car, might as well forget driving in snow with anything but studded snow meats out back.
If gas gets to $10/$15 a gal. putting gas in your car and driving is going to be least of your worries. This would trash the economy to the point you would be worried about where your next bean would come from. Another thought why add to the problem by getting a gas guzzler, course thats the American way.
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
By the way, something like a 91 Si Civic, 91-94 Nissan Sentra SE-R etc. would be pretty darn fast, very economical, and way fun to drive. I've driven both, and they can do some canyon carving like a go cart. If you have a rwd muscle car, might as well forget driving in snow with anything but studded snow meats out back.
Hey man, if you like 'em, more power to ya. I don't want to carve any corners and I don't care about going fast. It doesn't really do it for me.
I just want the big lazy V8, with the roof down/off to cruise around in on summer days. Even if the doors won't open if you park it at an angle on a hill (been there, done that), I'd still rather have a big old American car any day. Oh, I'll have the bench seat, too.
By the way, something like a 91 Si Civic, 91-94 Nissan Sentra SE-R etc. would be pretty darn fast, very economical, and way fun to drive. I've driven both, and they can do some canyon carving like a go cart. If you have a rwd muscle car, might as well forget driving in snow with anything but studded snow meats out back.
Hey man, if you like 'em, more power to ya. I don't want to carve any corners and I don't care about going fast. It doesn't really do it for me.
I just want the big lazy V8, with the roof down/off to cruise around in on summer days. Even if the doors won't open if you park it at an angle on a hill (been there, done that), I'd still rather have a big old American car any day. Oh, I'll have the bench seat, too.
I vote for the Chev Caprice/Impala SS from 1994-1006. Now understane they will only get 19.5 mpg in town and maybe 21 on the hwy in good tune and driving moderately. But a lot of the other costs will make up for it. Since it is a body-on-frame V8 with rear wheel drive, the parts are much cheaper and easier to replace. Examples are shocks are 19.99 each instead of 120.00 each for struts, U joints are cheap instead of CV joints which are expensive and often need to be replaced. Because of the RWD layout most parts are easy to get to and easy to replace whether you are doing the work or you go to a garage. Remember the grage charges by the hour.
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