Valvoline vs Mobil 1 - Round 2

[rg200amp]

Originally Posted By: Drew2000
So....I have Mobil 1 0W20 and 0w30 "green cap" for the next two changes....are these better than the 5w30 Mobil 1 "engine death oil"?



I would believe. Ashland is only making claims on Mobil 1 5w30.

Your motor might blow up though. Wear safty goggles while driving!!!

 

[TexHawk]

Originally Posted By: buster
Synpower should be GM 4718M cert. shortly too fwiw.



I had noticed that Synpower originally met the 4718M spec, and then it was removed from the website information. According to a response from Valvoline, it was temporarily removed while they were meeting the SM/GF-4 spec. but it should be reformulated to meet the 4718M spec. in December 2008.

 

[Steve S]

4x better .

 

[NismoMax80]

i think this puts enough doubt in my mind to try schaeffer's 9000 next time. only 1/2 way through my OCI with Mobil 1 Extended Performance.

I just think maybe it would be a waste to throw the 9000 away with my OCI of 7500 while under warranty until 2011.

although the way prices seems to be climbing, it doesn't seem like I really lose much. Especially if it's that much better it claims to be.

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: NismoMax80
i think this puts enough doubt in my mind to try schaeffer's 9000 next time. only 1/2 way through my OCI with Mobil 1 Extended Performance.


Not even Ashland is claiming Mobil 1 Extended Performance failed the tests.

 

[NismoMax80]

Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Not even Ashland is claiming Mobil 1 Extended Performance failed the tests.


but EP seems to claim what regular M1 used to. so the question has been presented here is EP the original formula and M1 reduced in quality? or is EP really better than M1 ever was?

 

[crinkles]

this letter may be a fake for all we know, so it would be more prudent to hang back at this stage than to change the oil you are using.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: crinkles
this letter may be a fake for all we know, so it would be more prudent to hang back at this stage than to change the oil you are using.


I felt that way, and I am not using 5W30 I am using 0W20 Mobil 1. What bothered me was the tone of their response. I think sitting back if you're holding a stash or recently changed your oil is probably the best thing to do. If Mobil 1 comes out of this passing all required tests then fine, if not dump the stash and change brands. In my case I'll continue to run the current fill and find another brand when ready for the next OC. Hopefully I can return what I have w/o receipts. Their S*.*t attitude put me over the top. Maybe their responses to other BITOG members will help me get through these dark times.

What I really need is to get some work and spend a little less time behind this PC, but that's a whole different story!

Frank D

 

[Spykem4e]

for guys that are putting in question mobil 1...

what about the ls1 engine with the 18k miles oci on M1 on the neptune website?

I think they have prooven more than what valvoline is claiming?

No?

 

[buster]

Originally Posted By: Spykem4e
for guys that are putting in question mobil 1...

what about the ls1 engine with the 18k miles oci on M1 on the neptune website?

I think they have prooven more than what valvoline is claiming?

No?


Nope. The issue here is whether M1 meets the API SM/ILSAC GF4 by passing the Seq IVA test.

 

[addyguy]

Originally Posted By: Spykem4e
for guys that are putting in question mobil 1...

what about the ls1 engine with the 18k miles oci on M1 on the neptune website?

I think they have prooven more than what valvoline is claiming?

No?


One answer to that is that test was a while ago, and was a different frmulation of M1 (SL spec.). Also, that test did show relatively hight wear numbers right from the start; so there could still be some validity to that fact that M1 caused excess wear. Sure, the oil survived, but did it protect the best...? Amsoil DID get better wear numbers....

 

[FrankN4]

I feel like I am standing in front of the fish market trying to figure out what it is that I smell.

With about 1,000,000 miles on Mobil 1 since 1990, never an engine problem of any kind, never wore an engine out, never used a drop of oil, I don't see Mobil having a problem with wear. However, I never use a 30 grade oil of any kind.

I was never impressed with Valvoline because of people I know that did use Valvoline. Many, if not most of them, I converted to Mobil 1. If you seriously research, not just look at, the used oil analysis just on BITOG, Synpower doesn't fare all that well. The MaxLife, on the other hand, really stands out.

If Ashland's claim is 100% legit, and I mean in all categories, Mobil 1 has failed their customers and the automotive industry, BIG TIME and should lose API license/endorsement.

If Ashland's claim is not 100% legit in every category, Mobil should bury them so deep they can't sell sewing machine oil.

Still.....what is that smell?

 

[Liquid_Turbo]

Speculating, if this were true, it would probably be a recent thing? (past couple years?)

And, if this were true, how could it slip under the radar by the groups that develop these standards?

 

[demarpaint]

I'm sure Mobil 1 passed, and if they didn't they could probably buy their way to certification. Isn't it all about money? Maybe the independent test was legit, and Mobil couldn't buy their way out of that since it went on behind their backs. Notice maybe, maybe, maybe? Time will tell.

BTW I like the fish analogy.

Frank D

 

[mcrn]

I just sent them an email too. Just curious as to how they will respond. I am in the rinse phase of Auto-rx and was thinking of going synthetic after thats complete. Leaning towards PP of coarse but I do have 5 quarts of Valvoline synpower in the garage. I was thinking of using each one as the single quart to add to the 5 quart jugs from the store I hate the most. My truck takes 6 quarts. However I was also thinking of one of the Mobil 1's but I am just not sure now.

 

[Nyquist]

One thing that is for sure is that Valvoline/Ashland accomplished one of their goals: To cast some doubt into the minds of Mobil 1 users.

One interesting point, I could not find what levels of oil pressure they use for the test. This could be a key element to how it actually performs especially if your engine turns more RPM which should lead to higher oil pressure and flow rate.

 

[Johnny]

They have accomplished their goal with fanatics like us, but John Q public has no clue.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Johnny
They have accomplished their goal with fanatics like us, but John Q public has no clue.


Exactly, and reading between the lines they are swaying customers away from themselves and Mobil.

Frank D

 

[daman]

My grand Am is do for a OC think i'll use some of my 5w30 stash
and sleep good at night..

 

[Jason2007]

I decided to try the Synpower 5w30 because of the $10.00 rebate more than their marketing. Maybe they should focus more on the rebate side to woo customers. $9.00 for 5 quarts is real easy to decide when compared to $27.00 for M1.