Valvoline Restore Protect 5w-30, 5149 Miles, 14 S60 T5

[Ayrton]

Valvoline Restore Protect 5w-30, 5149 Miles, Volvo 2014 S60 T5 (2.5 5 cylinder), 108,000 on the unit.

I am using Restore and Protect in an attempt to help with consumption.

Wear looks good.

At 5149 miles and even having make-up oil added during change (1.25 quarts), the TBN at 2.4 shows is this about the limit for this oil / car IMHO. (Consumption is worse than that as it would have needed another quart at the oil change).

If I didn't feel like I consumed MORE oil with restore and protect, I'd keep using it at these intervals. However, after my current fill (also restore protect), I'm probably going to something thicker, to try to slow down consumption. I never consumed near as much with Euro oils.

 

[JAG]

Yes, that TBN is disappointing for the fairly short OCI and make-up oil boosting it. Makes me wonder if the engine is a TBN killer or if the PCV system is working properly. What euro oil will be use?

 

[wpod]

Is this the first oil change the Restore and protect. It supposedly takes more than one oil change interval for the oil to work its magic according to the marketing.

 

[Sandstorm]

Are you using high sulfur fuel? TBN should be irrelevant if you aren't. You should look into oxidation numbers.
The wear looks excellent

 

[fantastic]

Looks good, I'd have no complaints other than the noticeable increase in oil you mentioned. Higher NOACK perhaps than a Euro oil but as @wpod mentioned maybe try at least x4 intervals to assess the consumption?

 

[alcyon]

Yes for a 5W30, those wear numbers look real good. The Boron additives looked used up, New they are like 160+.
Definitely an oil I would use for my car as I only drive 6000km max a year.

 

[Ayrton]

Yes for a 5W30, that wear numbers look real good. The Boron additives looked used up, New they are like 160+.
Definitely an oil I would use for my car as I only drive 6000km max a year.

I noticed the boron too, I see it depletes pretty fast with this oil based on other UOA.

Are you using high sulfur fuel? TBN should be irrelevant if you aren't. You should look into oxidation numbers.
The wear looks excellent

West coast Shell V-Power, every single fill this OCI I think.

Looks good, I'd have no complaints other than the noticeable increase in oil you mentioned. Higher NOACK perhaps than a Euro oil but as @wpod mentioned maybe try at least x4 intervals to assess the consumption?

I'll see how I feel towards the end of this OCI.

Yes, that TBN is disappointing for the fairly short OCI and make-up oil boosting it. Makes me wonder if the engine is a TBN killer or if the PCV system is working properly. What euro oil will be use?

Oil trap / PCV unit was done about 10,000 miles ago (10 months). You're starting with TBN around 6, this probably how it goes with this oil. I saw the Acura report on here, TBN 3.1 at 4500 miles. I'll either go back to M1 0w-40 or try HPL Euro 5w-40.

Is this the first oil change the Restore and protect. It supposedly takes more than one oil change interval for the oil to work its magic according to the marketing.

Yes, it's just hard to wait when it has made it consume so much more. I'm going to go through this second OCI. I'd like to go back to a Euro and see if it is consuming more there now too. I can always come back to R&P later.


Thanks all!

 

[incognito_2u]

Valvoline Restore Protect 5w-30, 5149 Miles, Volvo 2014 S60 T5 (2.5 5 cylinder), 108,000 on the unit.

I am using Restore and Protect in an attempt to help with consumption.

Wear looks good.

At 5149 miles and even having make-up oil added during change (1.25 quarts), the TBN at 2.4 shows is this about the limit for this oil / car IMHO. (Consumption is worse than that as it would have needed another quart at the oil change).

If I didn't feel like I consumed MORE oil with restore and protect, I'd keep using it at these intervals. However, after my current fill (also restore protect), I'm probably going to something thicker, to try to slow down consumption. I never consumed near as much with Euro oils.

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What Grade oil did Volvo spec for your vehicle new, from the factory?

 

[Ayrton]

What Grade oil did Volvo spec for your vehicle new, from the factory?

By that year, 5w-30 or 0w-30 in A5/B5. Earlier operator manuals would have shown more viscosities. I always used M1 0w-40.

 

[himemsys]

Our Volvo (with the 3.2 inline 6) also is hard on TBN:
-starting TBN 8.9, ending TBN 2.9 in 5200 miles
-starting TBN 10.6, ending TBN 4.45 in 6700 miles
-starting TBN 10.6, ending TBN 6.0 in 4600 miles

Our last 3 UOAs using Euro oils.

I agree to use oxidation increase as a 2nd opinion. You'll either have to pay $20 extra to Blackstone, or switch to another lab that includes it in the cost (like Oil Analyzers).

I'm considering a couple of runs of R&P in our Volvo next year just because of the stories I've heard about how gunked up these engines can get. Car is not consuming oil.

 

[Nathan]

Have you checked the PCV system?
I wonder if that is a contributing factor to the TBN issue...maybe a catch can would help.

 

[Ayrton]

Have you checked the PCV system?
I wonder if that is a contributing factor to the TBN issue...maybe a catch can would help.

PCV system was replaced less than a year ago. Based on other UOAs with Valvoline oils, this seems right in line with what their oils do at this mileage. I don't think it's a problem.

 

[himemsys]

Have you checked the PCV system?
I wonder if that is a contributing factor to the TBN issue...maybe a catch can would help.

There is a reason Volvo specifies an oil with TBN greater than or equal to 8.0.

 

[Bonz]

On my second oil change with restore and protect 5W30. 2010 Acura TL SH AWD 3.7L J37 engine. 208,000 miles when I started the regimen, 212,500 currently. Doing OCI's at 60% on the oil minder which is around 3500 miles or so with my driving. Added 1 qt in the first 3500 mile OCI, and it was a half quart down when I did the change. So the baseline is a quart and a half in around 3500 miles to see if that gets better.

Did not notice a major difference in oil consumption in the first oil change interval, however, looking through the oil fill hole it sure cleaned up the camshaft cap bolt from a darker bronze to a more golden brown. I bought the car with 120,000 miles six or seven years ago. The torque vectoring drive train is great for having fun through corners in the dry, it's like a cat on Velcro in the snow with that all-wheel-drive system. Given how much I enjoy driving it, I want to keep it around which brings me back to giving this oil a try.

The J37 engine has a known issue with carbon buildup on rings. Acura had a class action settlement where they would do an oil consumption test and if it burned more than a quart per thousand miles they would replace the pistons/rings. Mine didn't quite meet that threshold, but nonetheless, it uses more oil than it should. This oil seems like a classic opportunity to see if it makes a difference.

With the mileage on the car and it's solidly reliable, I don't see myself doing an analysis, my goal is lower oil consumption. Either that will happen or it won't. However, I am going to see it through at least four OCI's as Valvoline says.

 

[Artem]

@Bonz — some engines “use” oil by design and is considered “normal” per-sé.

I can totally understand this in a performance engine.

But your average everyday beater shouldn’t consume oil on a daily basis.

 

[Bonz]

Most ALL Acuras and Hondas do not consume oil at the rate many owners with the 3.7L engine experienced. In this day and age, when a manufacturer acknowledges a flaw in their system, it's not something they designed to be that way. I believe you may have commented on a similar post in another thread with respect to this? I made the comment back to you that it's a known problem with the components used to assemble the engine. It's been established. And because it's not an outright problem from day one, but something that occurs cumulatively (the nature of "buildup"), this oil may reduce oil consumption by removing the buildup. Simple as that. I'm doing oil changes regardless, this oil only has an upside. Not sure where you're coming from?

 

[Artem]

@Bonz — I understand your point. I’m just saying, if you don’t get positive consumption results, it’s because the problem is beyond an oil’s control. It’s an engine issue.

 

[Bonz]

It goes without saying if oil consumption persists, it's the engine design. I've laid out clearly with no ambitions or delusions that an oil will fix something mechanical. Again, the engines did not consume abnormal amounts of oil until the engines had miles on them and carbon builds up under the rings. If the carbon is cleaned, it makes sense oil consumption may be reduced. You had posted in another thread the same thing after I had said the same thing.

Hopefully you can see where I'm coming that what I've said would lead no one to believe there is such a thing as an engine in a bottle to fix a mechanical defect, however, you have followed these posts with your same similar post.

 

[buster]

On my second oil change with restore and protect 5W30. 2010 Acura TL SH AWD 3.7L J37 engine. 208,000 miles when I started the regimen, 212,500 currently. Doing OCI's at 60% on the oil minder which is around 3500 miles or so with my driving. Added 1 qt in the first 3500 mile OCI, and it was a half quart down when I did the change. So the baseline is a quart and a half in around 3500 miles to see if that gets better.

Did not notice a major difference in oil consumption in the first oil change interval, however, looking through the oil fill hole it sure cleaned up the camshaft cap bolt from a darker bronze to a more golden brown. I bought the car with 120,000 miles six or seven years ago. The torque vectoring drive train is great for having fun through corners in the dry, it's like a cat on Velcro in the snow with that all-wheel-drive system. Given how much I enjoy driving it, I want to keep it around which brings me back to giving this oil a try.

The J37 engine has a known issue with carbon buildup on rings. Acura had a class action settlement where they would do an oil consumption test and if it burned more than a quart per thousand miles they would replace the pistons/rings. Mine didn't quite meet that threshold, but nonetheless, it uses more oil than it should. This oil seems like a classic opportunity to see if it makes a difference.

With the mileage on the car and it's solidly reliable, I don't see myself doing an analysis, my goal is lower oil consumption. Either that will happen or it won't. However, I am going to see it through at least four OCI's as Valvoline says.

If you're noticing some cleanup stick with it for at least 4 OCI.

 

[Bonz]

Yes, like I shared a few posts back when I entered the thread I'm gonna stick with it for at least four OCI's as per Valvoline. I can see inside the oil fill hole it cleans up the surface varnish on the visible cam cap/bolt, for sure may need more time to do the rings. Even if I don't see any change in the first couple oil changes I'm gonna stick with it because I'm gonna be changing the oil anyway. For some odd reason if the oil goes away, I've stocked up on the next few changes worth.