2021 Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi 5w-20 Valvoline Restore and Protect 2200 miles

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Valvoline Restore and Protect 5w-20 after 2200 miles in my Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi. Was running a Fram endurance oil filter. My oil changes are every 4 months regardless of miles. Surprised to see an uptick of copper after receding in previous reports. This sample was taken a day or two after a 600 mile trip or so. Not sure if that would have anything to do with it. Not sure why boron was flagged. Seems like a solid oil. Maybe a little low on viscosity. I put restore and protect back in and will run another test on it in 4 months.

In case there is curiosity:

Row 1 - Pennsoil Ultra
Row 2 - Amsoil XL Boosted
Row 3 - Royal Purple
Row 4 - Royal Purple

All 5w-20

By the way, what’s the consensus on where this oil falls within the valvoline offerings? Is this their top shelf oil or is that their EP line?

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Surprised to see an uptick of copper after receding in previous reports. This sample was taken a day or two after a 600 mile trip or so. Not sure if that would have anything to do with it. Not sure why boron was flagged. Seems like a solid oil. Maybe a little low on viscosity. I put restore and protect back in and will run another test on it in 4 months. By the way, what’s the consensus on where this oil falls within the valvoline offerings? Is this their top shelf oil or is that their EP line?
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There is no "Uptick" in Cu (Copper) in this report. It is trending down from the last sample. And is lowing w/each UOA so there is no concern. Sounds like they're treating the flagged Boron as slightly low. You did only have 35 ppm in the previous samples so it probably brought this sample's number down a bit.

R & P is Valvolines latest product & they seem to be advertising it based on fear of "building up deposits". They say you can use it indefinitely but say's it needs x4 oil changes to fully work. Not sure if that's true if using it in a low mileage vehicle such as yours though. As for their offerings. I'd say the specification needed for your engine oil would decide which of their oils are suited for your 5.7L.
 
racer12306 said:
Why so frequent for the oil changes?
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I find it cathartic and it’s cheap to do. Originally wanted to keep oil changes under 5k then I figured if 5k is good 3k must be even better lol that worked out to about 4 months so I just stuck with that. I wouldn’t assume there was any rationality behind it beyond liking to do it and that it’s cheap.
SubieRubyRoo said:
That viscosity is pretty low. Personally I’d be using a 30 grade. The other issues will likely resolve themselves with that move alone.

I’m sorry but I just don’t see any of the supposed magic in R&P…
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I don’t think I want to go 5w-30. I’ve kicked the idea around but I have a “lifetime” warranty on the engine through the dealer. Yes, I know it will probably be a pain ever trying to collect on that but since I have it I may as well follow their parameters which includes using the manufacturer’s suggested spec. I might go back to a heavier 5w-20 though. I’ve got several oil changes worth of Pennzoil Ultra laying around.
 
Thursday said:
I find it cathartic and it’s cheap to do. Originally wanted to keep oil changes under 5k then I figured if 5k is good 3k must be even better lol that worked out to about 4 months so I just stuck with that. I wouldn’t assume there was any rationality behind it beyond liking to do it and that it’s cheap.
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I don't see how that oil filter is cathartic lol

Whatever works for you. I do agree that's a pretty thin 5w20. I'd be curious to see what the starting value is. I'd be surprised if it sheared that much in that short of an interval.
 
Thursday said:
Valvoline Restore and Protect 5w-20 after 2200 miles in my Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi. Was running a Fram endurance oil filter. My oil changes are every 4 months regardless of miles. Surprised to see an uptick of copper after receding in previous reports. This sample was taken a day or two after a 600 mile trip or so. Not sure if that would have anything to do with it. Not sure why boron was flagged. Seems like a solid oil. Maybe a little low on viscosity. I put restore and protect back in and will run another test on it in 4 months.

In case there is curiosity:

Row 1 - Pennsoil Ultra
Row 2 - Amsoil XL Boosted
Row 3 - Royal Purple
Row 4 - Royal Purple

All 5w-20

By the way, what’s the consensus on where this oil falls within the valvoline offerings? Is this their top shelf oil or is that their EP line?

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"Don't mean nuthin" (RM) It's new and just breaking in. Looks fine and for a 3.000 oci, any of those oils will work.
 
With such short runs and a UOA after each, it becomes an extremely expensive hobby with not much valuable info to trend from it as said above.
 
SubieRubyRoo said:
I’m sorry but I just don’t see any of the supposed magic in R&P…
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As @kschachn might say, you won't see any "magic" from a $45 UOA. The magic is supposed to be in the cleaning, not the spectrographic results.

Plumb Bob said:
With such short runs and a UOA after each, it becomes an extremely expensive hobby with not much valuable info to trend from it as said above.
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Value is in the eye of the spender. How many hobbies would people who aren't into them just be considered a waste of money? Golf is one example that pops up in my mind. I don't judge how people spend their money. If they find some value, it doesn't matter one lick if I see any value in it. It's not my money.
 
himemsys said:
Value is in the eye of the spender. How many hobbies would people who aren't into them just be considered a waste of money? Golf is one example that pops up in my mind. I don't judge how people spend their money. If they find some value, it doesn't matter one lick if I see any value in it. It's not my money.
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That's 100% accurate, values are subjective. My comment was related to getting useful trending data - the one provided by UOA, as questionable as it may be - for the price paid.
 
himemsys said:
To expand on @fantastic:
The last 4 UOAs, looking at copper only:
66/2.699 = 24.5 ppm per 1000 miles
46/2.485 = 18.5 ppm per 1000 miles
17/0.974 = 17.5 ppm per 1000 miles
36/2.276 = 15.8 ppm per 1000 miles

Copper is dropping consistently each oil change
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That’s good stuff on the copper. Thanks, fellas. Always an informative experience here.
 
himemsys said:
As @kschachn might say, you won't see any "magic" from a $45 UOA. The magic is supposed to be in the cleaning, not the spectrographic results.


Value is in the eye of the spender. How many hobbies would people who aren't into them just be considered a waste of money? Golf is one example that pops up in my mind. I don't judge how people spend their money. If they find some value, it doesn't matter one lick if I see any value in it. It's not my money.
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I wasn’t looking at the elemental results. The oxidation & nitration results, where we would see some evidence of ANs or esters, is what is sorely lacking. I don’t really care at all what is shown in the “wear” materials because different oils can liberate different elements from accumulations in an engine; Mobil 1 is pretty notorious for doing so on iron deposits in an engine, and other oils for liberating/leeching copper from the oil cooler.

My point is, unless R&P is using something completely unknown to everyone, it’s highly unlikely that it can keep its promises. That’s all. I’m in no way trying to use a UOA for things it’s not designed to, although the UOA shows R&P isn’t exactly great at viscosity retention either…
 
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