At this point, buy it at O'Reilly's and get a free Microgard Select for a few dollars more... that is, until their prices increase.
At this point, buy it at O'Reilly's and get a free Microgard Select for a few dollars more... that is, until their prices increase.
0w20 still showing $30, looks like 5w30 is the first to feel the pinch.
It's the most popular.0w20 still showing $30, looks like 5w30 is the first to feel the pinch.
Weird, 5w30 was up to 39 for me until today when I checked and it's back down to $30. But I already have enough oil (including my most recent oil change) to be good for at least 10-12 months. Debating jumping on this or not...
HPL has already increased prices. AMSOIL now has a per quart surcharge due to the base oil price increase that will hopefully go away when this is all resolved.i wonder if boutique oils like HPL, Redline, Driven, etc. will suffer the same shortages.
That doesn’t seem likely at all. This is going to be bad, really badI do have to admit, it would be rather funny if this all came to pass without any disruption outside of a bit a panic buying over the next 1-2 weeks.
Other major brand oils are roughly $2.00 cheaper at WM than Valvoline Restore and Protect. Averaged over a 4K - 5K mile OCI is not much of a cost difference adder for an oil that cleans hard carbon deposits on pistons and oil ring packs.All I am saying is it can be ordered off their website directly. I not sure I have ever seen a major brand oil company put out "lower, better" prices on their lubricants or fuels! Their retailers do that kind of thing trying to move a product and compete with other retailers I would guess. Plus, some of the store branded generic oils are lower priced, like Supertech at Walmart or O'Reily's store brand. I am guessing Valvoline just set up an online store so people that want their products in areas where the local retailers don't sell it can get it.
Weird, 5w30 was up to 39 for me until today when I checked and it's back down to $30.
Another reason this wouldn’t work is that they are using the additive in the fuel cleaner now and also in an ATF.I read a comment by an oil distributor a few days ago that thinks the ring cleaning ability comes from the base oil technology rather than an additive. They also said that the 5W-30 Noack was tested to be close to 15% and couldn’t quality for Dexos even if they wanted to pay for it/disclose the formula, but that the level of solvency needed to break down the deposits resulted in a somewhat volatile formulation.
Probably gonna get some laugh emojis out of that but I thought it was an interesting theory.
Yeah, hopefully there's no shortage. But, it wouldn't surprise me if prices still go up and stay up.I do have to admit, it would be rather funny if this all came to pass without any disruption outside of a bit a panic buying over the next 1-2 weeks.
I would think thatThat’s what I thought too, then to refute that theory I went looking for anyplace they’d said it was an additive that breaks up the deposits and I couldn’t find anything.
Another reason this wouldn’t work is that they are using the additive in the fuel cleaner now and also in an ATF.
I’m with you and agree it most likely is mostly breaking down deposits due to additives or at least they play a big role. The previous discussion about base oils stemmed from an assertion that Valvoline couldn’t develop additives and a claim that Valvoline Restore and Protect uses an off-the-shelf Afton additive package. I countered that Aramco could probably develop their own additives with which to top treat any blend.
Dr. Warholic: “base also oil selection matters too and it also matters in Restore & Protect…And then you have multiple additives in there to do different things, and that additive combination is what makes each oil unique…..5 years ago when we started Restore & Protect development….you look at different combinations of additives to do different things…”:
Here they talk about a “designer molecule” from a lab in India:
The second discussion regarding a specifically engineered molecule does lend itself to an additive, since base oils are more of a “molecule soup”, even Group III (albeit much less so than I & II). With that said there are solubility benefits to the less uniform G1/2 base oils with a price to paid f”in volatility and oxidative resistance.
Could Aramco have engineered a hydro cracking process that results in a base oil comprised predominately of a specific isoparrafin molecule with the desired properties? Seems more likely they are talking about an additive, but I dont know.
I guess that the bottom line is that we just don't know for sure, but from the weight of evidence out there, everything is pointing to a specific additive that they uncovered by accident. I highly doubt that they are using a special hydrocracking method to make an additive that they are putting in an ATF and fuel cleaner, but I'm not an oil and gas engineer.
Employee of the company making the fuel additive confirmed it is the "proprietary additive" they are using that they receive from Valvoline and contains no PEA.How do we know the oil’s technology is shared with the fuel cleaner?