Valvoline Nextgen 10w30 API SN

[cchase]

VOA for Nextgen 10w30.

Looks like a decent add pack to me. Seems sort of "dirty" though with lead, iron, tin, aluminum showing up. Viscosity starts fairly low. Can't figure out why no potassium showed up even though on the PQI analysis they list 10 ppm.

 

[chubbs1]

Thanks! Lots of zinc, and yes, it does look a little contaminated. I wonder if the labs actually clean the instrumentation properly or if it happens somewhere during the shipping of bulk finished lube?? Either way looks good, I would sure use it.

 

[ltslimjim]

Negligible 'contaminants' seen here, to blame it on the lube at least.

 

[cchase]

Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
Negligible 'contaminants' seen here, to blame it on the lube at least.


I agree. Sn at 3 ppm is somewhat of an eyebrow raiser though.

 

[Loobed]

Can an SN rated oil have that much Zinc and Phosphorus?

 

[JAG]

Originally Posted By: Loobed
Can an SN rated oil have that much Zinc and Phosphorus?

Only the phosphorous counts. For 10w30, it needs to be 600 to 800 PPM, so this oil meets that.
http://www.api.org/certifications/engineoil/new/upload/1509techbull1complete.pdf

 

[Wilhelm_D]

Originally Posted By: chubbs1
Thanks! Lots of zinc, and yes, it does look a little contaminated.


At 50% recycled that is not a surprise, is it?

 

[volk06]

Originally Posted By: Wilhelm_D
Originally Posted By: chubbs1
Thanks! Lots of zinc, and yes, it does look a little contaminated.


At 50% recycled that is not a surprise, is it?



Being recycled has nothing to do with the contaminates. Used oil is a heck of a lot cleaner than crude oil. They re-refine the used oil so theres no contaminates.

 

[ueberooo]

Originally Posted By: cchase
Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
Negligible 'contaminants' seen here, to blame it on the lube at least.


I agree. Sn at 3 ppm is somewhat of an eyebrow raiser though.


I like the zinc but have to agree with you guys that it doesn't look like that spectacular of an additive pack.

No Boron. No Moly.

I wonder if it has Antimony? probably not.

I'd use it, but only because I add my own additives.

 

[Topo]

I just guessing please correct me if i'm wrong. Yes there is no moly. But the increased levels of Zinc more than make up for that. Aren't Moly and Zinc both friction modifiers.

 

[A_Harman]

Phos seems low compared to the Valvoline PDS, which lists 760ppm. Blackstone quite often reads low on Phosphorous.

 

[Provi]

Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Phos seems low compared to the Valvoline PDS, which lists 760ppm. Blackstone quite often reads low on Phosphorous.


http://www.pqiamerica.com/ValvolineNextGen.htm

After Blackstone reading wrong for me I don't trust their results, see PQIA, yes i know different weights

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Is the Sodium base add pack (ala Castrol) used here a lubrizol DP?

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted By: Topo
I just guessing please correct me if i'm wrong. Yes there is no moly. But the increased levels of Zinc more than make up for that. Aren't Moly and Zinc both friction modifiers.
General Rant:
You cant look at VOA anymore and know whats "really" in the oil. This aint 1970. Oils can use Sulphurised ISobutylenes which are ashless. Ashless means NO METALS. Sodium is a metal, Zinc is a metal as is Boron(metalloid) and Moly. You guys (not you directly TOPO) see a cheap "classic" addpack with 260ppm moly and 180ppm Boron and think its great stuff. Sorta sad bitogers - sorta sad

 

[Artem]

Originally Posted By: Wilhelm_D
Originally Posted By: chubbs1
Thanks! Lots of zinc, and yes, it does look a little contaminated.


At 50% recycled that is not a surprise, is it?

i wouldn't use it. I see no point when i can buy UNUSED oil for cheaper

 

[KCJeep]

Is that zinc difference just between 10w30 and 5w30 or am I missing something? If the 10w30 really has that much zinc I'm thinking my Jeep would love this stuff.

 

[KCJeep]

Nothing on Valvolines specs to indicate levels should be any different than 5w30, lab error?