When I used to change my dad's oil back in the 70's, I used to put it in empty Downy bottles and dump them in the trash.
Used oil disposal technique from 1963
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I save 10 gallons every year just for our community burn pile, 35/40 yards around, big burn pile!
Some people do have their private roads sprayed with oil in the summer time. The logging companies working in the forest have to maintain the forestry roads, they spray Cal/Mag solution to keep the dust down.
Some people do have their private roads sprayed with oil in the summer time. The logging companies working in the forest have to maintain the forestry roads, they spray Cal/Mag solution to keep the dust down.
Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
The equivalent of those "Most doctors prefer ___________ Cigarettes" ads.
Even worse.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bioche...cco-companies-and-get-paid-for-it-1/amp/
The equivalent of those "Most doctors prefer ___________ Cigarettes" ads.
Even worse.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bioche...cco-companies-and-get-paid-for-it-1/amp/
We squirted used motor oil on the bar of the chainsaw. Our family burned wood during the winter, so we were busy a good part of the year cutting and splitting wood.
Used oil was poured on the gravel roads by at least 2 (and probably 3) service stations in my home town. It was to keep the dust down. We used to do the same.
In the short term it worked fine. Of course people haven't done that in 30 or 40 or more years and the areas where they dumped the oil seem to be fine. Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) would have been a short term cancer risk. But nature has ways of degrading most (or maybe all) organic compounds. I suppose the biggest long term concern would be the environmental lead. Think of all the lead in that used oil (from the leaded fuel) in those old days. Heavy metals have a way of hanging around.
In the short term it worked fine. Of course people haven't done that in 30 or 40 or more years and the areas where they dumped the oil seem to be fine. Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) would have been a short term cancer risk. But nature has ways of degrading most (or maybe all) organic compounds. I suppose the biggest long term concern would be the environmental lead. Think of all the lead in that used oil (from the leaded fuel) in those old days. Heavy metals have a way of hanging around.
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They rebrand used oil as Pennzoil
Originally Posted by dave1251
Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
The equivalent of those "Most doctors prefer ___________ Cigarettes" ads.
Even worse.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bioche...cco-companies-and-get-paid-for-it-1/amp/
This doesn't surprise me. Only reason this lost popularity was because the drug pushers paid better.
Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
The equivalent of those "Most doctors prefer ___________ Cigarettes" ads.
Even worse.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bioche...cco-companies-and-get-paid-for-it-1/amp/
This doesn't surprise me. Only reason this lost popularity was because the drug pushers paid better.
Originally Posted by Shannow
Originally Posted by gfh77665
In all seriousness, how does a little oil in the ground compare to say, smoking? Lets look briefly at just 2ND HAND SMOKING:
Secondhand smoke causes approximately 7,330 deaths from lung cancer and 33,950 deaths from heart disease each year. Between 1964 and 2014, 2.5 million people died from exposure to secondhand smoke, according to a report from the U.S. Surgeon General
34,000 2ND HAND deaths! Smoking KILLS 10's of MILLIONS.
And we worry about a little spilled oil? Put it in perspective!
How does that logical (using the term very loosely) leap have to do with justifying tipping oil into the ground ?
Where, exactly, did I "justify" dumping oil? Please quote it so I can see it.
I know you find it great sport to personally challenge pretty much anything I post here at BITOG, but please be somewhat accurate if you want to continue to debate me. I "justified" nothing.
Originally Posted by gfh77665
In all seriousness, how does a little oil in the ground compare to say, smoking? Lets look briefly at just 2ND HAND SMOKING:
Secondhand smoke causes approximately 7,330 deaths from lung cancer and 33,950 deaths from heart disease each year. Between 1964 and 2014, 2.5 million people died from exposure to secondhand smoke, according to a report from the U.S. Surgeon General
34,000 2ND HAND deaths! Smoking KILLS 10's of MILLIONS.
And we worry about a little spilled oil? Put it in perspective!
How does that logical (using the term very loosely) leap have to do with justifying tipping oil into the ground ?
Where, exactly, did I "justify" dumping oil? Please quote it so I can see it.
I know you find it great sport to personally challenge pretty much anything I post here at BITOG, but please be somewhat accurate if you want to continue to debate me. I "justified" nothing.
Just read your first sentence...a "little oil into the ground"
https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2015-08/documents/mgwc-gwc1.pdf
https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2015-08/documents/mgwc-gwc1.pdf
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You missed the NEXT two words. Reread it again. You cannot pick out PARTS of a quote and then try to use them totally out of context against me.
All I did was draw a comparison. I "justified" nothing! You are wrong, again.
All I did was draw a comparison. I "justified" nothing! You are wrong, again.
Originally Posted by gfh77665
You missed the NEXT two words. Reread it again. You cannot pick out PARTS of a quote and then try to use them totally out of context against me.
All I did was draw a comparison. I "justified" nothing! You are wrong, again.
So when did you STOP smoking and blowing your smoke in someone else's face ?
Ignorance at all levels ???
You missed the NEXT two words. Reread it again. You cannot pick out PARTS of a quote and then try to use them totally out of context against me.
All I did was draw a comparison. I "justified" nothing! You are wrong, again.
So when did you STOP smoking and blowing your smoke in someone else's face ?
Ignorance at all levels ???
Kestas
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Isn't gfh77665 using a strawman argument? When did anybody start talking about smoking? This thread is about dumping oil on the ground.
Originally Posted by Kestas
Isn't gfh77665 using a strawman argument? When did anybody start talking about smoking? This thread is about dumping oil on the ground.
As opposed to intentionally injecting orphans with radioisotopes, or gassing communities with bacterium and viruses...yes, that's the diffference
Isn't gfh77665 using a strawman argument? When did anybody start talking about smoking? This thread is about dumping oil on the ground.
As opposed to intentionally injecting orphans with radioisotopes, or gassing communities with bacterium and viruses...yes, that's the diffference
Originally Posted by PimTac
A lot of roads were done with a oil mat surface in the past. A nice layer of thick oil followed by crushed gravel which was rolled and left to set up. Later they came back with a sweeper and collected the loose gravel to use on the next project.
I'm not seeing this done as much nowadays but I'm sure it's still done.
Now they do it pretty much the opposite... lay down the gravel, then cover with a nice layer of asphalt. Then most places spray it with fog seal which is essentially a thinned out asphalt.
A lot of roads were done with a oil mat surface in the past. A nice layer of thick oil followed by crushed gravel which was rolled and left to set up. Later they came back with a sweeper and collected the loose gravel to use on the next project.
I'm not seeing this done as much nowadays but I'm sure it's still done.
Now they do it pretty much the opposite... lay down the gravel, then cover with a nice layer of asphalt. Then most places spray it with fog seal which is essentially a thinned out asphalt.
When I first started working on the family cars in my early teens 30+ years ago, we lived in a what was at the time a somewhat rural area (not so much anymore), and I would take our used oil back to the woods behind our house and dump it on the ground. I always dumped it on the same spot, about 10 feet off the walking trail. Three cars over the span of about 10 years, and it all got dumped there.
Some parts of those woods were sold and developed into houses a few years back, and while they were building I went back there to snap a few pictures because I didnt know how much they were going to tear out. The plant growth is and always was very dense in the area, with lots of weeds and saplings and honeysuckle bushes and whatever pretty much covering the entire ground.....and it still was, except the spot where I used to dump the oil. There was a good 10-15 foot diameter area right there, even 30+ years after having oil dumped there, where absolutely nothing was growing, just muddy-ish soil with a few leaves covering it, surrounded by lush greenery. Kind of a little anti-oasis, a big dead area surrounded by lush growth. I feel bad about causing that, but at the time I didnt know any better.
Some parts of those woods were sold and developed into houses a few years back, and while they were building I went back there to snap a few pictures because I didnt know how much they were going to tear out. The plant growth is and always was very dense in the area, with lots of weeds and saplings and honeysuckle bushes and whatever pretty much covering the entire ground.....and it still was, except the spot where I used to dump the oil. There was a good 10-15 foot diameter area right there, even 30+ years after having oil dumped there, where absolutely nothing was growing, just muddy-ish soil with a few leaves covering it, surrounded by lush greenery. Kind of a little anti-oasis, a big dead area surrounded by lush growth. I feel bad about causing that, but at the time I didnt know any better.
Originally Posted by Shannow
So when did you STOP smoking and blowing your smoke in someone else's face ?
Ignorance at all levels ???
I have never smoked in my entire life. I am indeed bothered by 2nd hand smoke. Why are you so ignorant to suggest I did?
I am really curious, why do you troll me so often? Do you log on to BITOG every morning just to see if I post something so you can challenge it? What exactly, is your problem with me? I do not wish to argue with you. I mean this sincerely, please explain.
So when did you STOP smoking and blowing your smoke in someone else's face ?
Ignorance at all levels ???
I have never smoked in my entire life. I am indeed bothered by 2nd hand smoke. Why are you so ignorant to suggest I did?
I am really curious, why do you troll me so often? Do you log on to BITOG every morning just to see if I post something so you can challenge it? What exactly, is your problem with me? I do not wish to argue with you. I mean this sincerely, please explain.
Originally Posted by Kestas
Isn't gfh77665 using a strawman argument? When did anybody start talking about smoking? This thread is about dumping oil on the ground.
There is no "straw man" here. Apparently you do not know the definition of it. I brought up the subject to illustrate how miniscule the actual risk is, relative to other unfortunate behaviors. It almost fits in the same category of banning drinking straws to "save the earth". I do NOT advocate dumping anything. I recycle and always will. Why do people totally misinterpret what I say? I guess too many just want to argue. SMH.
Isn't gfh77665 using a strawman argument? When did anybody start talking about smoking? This thread is about dumping oil on the ground.
There is no "straw man" here. Apparently you do not know the definition of it. I brought up the subject to illustrate how miniscule the actual risk is, relative to other unfortunate behaviors. It almost fits in the same category of banning drinking straws to "save the earth". I do NOT advocate dumping anything. I recycle and always will. Why do people totally misinterpret what I say? I guess too many just want to argue. SMH.
Kestas
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I think the subject of dumping oil on the ground is worth discussing in a thread. I object to your belittling the subject.
I know full well the definition of straw man.
I know full well the definition of straw man.
The emission and smell of vehicles were pretty bad back then, dumping used oil in the ground is relatively not as bad as today. To be honest it is the benzene that's bad, new oil in the ground wouldn't be as harmful.
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